Community Tierlist - Zangief help requested!

zangief

#1

Hello Zangief mainers,

At Community Tierlist - overview you can see a brand new dynamic tierlist which is a combined effort of all people on the SRK character forums.

The goal of this web application is to get all people who main a certain character to give their opinion on that character matchups, and then to combine all that data in one overall list.
The idea worked pretty well when performed by the Rose forum (http://shoryuken.com/f277/rose-mis-fortunes-rose-match-up-poll-263465/), most users reached a consensus and Rose got a nice analysis that ranked her around 13th to 17th place, on par with the latest opinions on her by American and Japanese top players.

If all character forums take a small effort to go vote on their character we will get:
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[] a per character average of matchups
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] a community-generated tierlist
[] a cross-matchup view on each matchup (as for example Gief vs Ryu will be ranked both in Gief view as in Ryu view)
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] and when enough data is provided: a statistical view on contested matchups, on agreed upon matchups and more!
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Because this list is open, and inputs are sensitive I took a few measure to get better results:
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[] You can only vote once per character
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] You need to provide the forumcode of you character to validate your vote (provided here), so that you can’t simply click around and vote on anything you want
[*] The extreme votes are removed statistically (10% lowest and 10% highest are discounted)
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Gief forumcode is: zangief-511913046 (the whole thing including the dash)
Please copy/paste this in the forumcode box

I will gradually go to each character forum to collect votes. After your vote you can copy/paste your input to this thread for further discussion.

Hopefully we get a good result! :slight_smile:

Web application: Community Tierlist - overview
Forumcode: zangief-511913046


#2

User Sharin voted on zangief
viper: 6.0
guile: 3.5
bison: 5.0
chun: 2.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 6.0
ibuki: 6.0
seth: 2.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 3.5
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 6.5
adon: 6.0
ken: 5.0
rose: 5.5
hakan: 7.0
akuma: 3.0
balrog: 5.5
honda: 5.0
dan: 6.5
sakura: 6.0
gen: 5.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.0
cody: 6.0
fei: 5.0
abel: 6.0
blanka: 4.5
juri: 5.0

I shouldnt voted juri or deejay, never played a good one =/


#3

Not that I want to troll, but I will never understand why ppl care so much about tier lists. I think this site could be about how to play matchups and how to deal with different kind of opponents too, instead of just a tier list. IMO tier lists means nothing without a good explanation on every single matchup. This would ask a lot of work and need the help of a community, but should be much more productive in the future :slight_smile:

Also, should we fill the tier list based on SSFIV or on the arcade edition ? Cause this could be out of date in a few monthes from now, unfortunately :confused:

Otherwise it’s a good idea, just not used in the best way IMO.


#4

User Trini_Judoka voted on zangief
viper: 6.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.0
chun: 3.0
deejay: 4.5
guy: 5.0
seth: 2.0
ibuki: 5.0
vega: 5.5
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 3.5
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 4.5
rufus: 5.5
gouken: 5.0
adon: 5.0
ken: 4.5
hakan: 5.5
rose: 5.0
akuma: 3.5
balrog: 5.5
honda: 4.5
dan: 7.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 5.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.0
fei: 5.0
cody: 6.0
abel: 5.5
blanka: 4.0
juri: 3.0


#5

User tron voted on zangief
viper: 5.5
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.0
chun: 3.0
deejay: 4.5
guy: 6.0
seth: 4.0
ibuki: 3.5
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 5.5
dudley: 6.5
sagat: 3.5
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.5
dhalsim: 3.0
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 4.0
adon: 5.0
ken: 5.0
hakan: 5.0
rose: 4.5
akuma: 3.5
balrog: 6.0
honda: 5.0
dan: 7.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 4.5
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 4.0
fei: 6.0
cody: 6.0
abel: 6.0
blanka: 3.0
juri: 4.5


#6

Currently only 5 Gief users have voted, while we need 10 votes per character to get a good average. Most forumboards have 10+ votes at this time. Are there any more active Gief users on this forum?


#7

Yeah, but your website is blocked at work for me.


#8

I wonder for what reason, lol.


#9

i dont care for tier lists. i will probably main gief forever.


#10

Shouldn’t you be filtering out extreme votes (outliers) with standard deviations instead of a randomly chosen %? I know tier lists are rather useless and arbitrary to begin with, but you seemed to want this one to have some sort of statistical meaning. Perhaps a real statistical analysis would add some kind of credibilty. Also, N=10 is not enough for a valid result (you’ll need more than 10 people to vote per character). How do you control for character bias and personal playstyle? That would have a lot to do with how well characters fared in matches. When you rate how your main does against others, you are rating yourself more than the character. Its like comparing who has a stronger Muppet. However, we all know Dan sucks most.

I don’t do tier lists, I just wrestle.


#11

User SSJ George Bush voted on zangief
viper: 6.5
guile: 5.0
bison: 6.0
chun: 3.5
deejay: 6.0
guy: 6.0
ibuki: 6.0
seth: 5.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 6.5
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 4.0
cammy: 6.0
makoto: 7.0
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 6.5
adon: 5.0
ken: 6.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 3.5
balrog: 6.0
honda: 4.0
sakura: 7.0
gen: 6.5
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.0
cody: 7.0
fei: 6.0
abel: 6.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 7.0


#12

User WeaponsLeft voted on zangief
viper: 5.5
guile: 4.5
bison: 5.5
chun: 3.5
deejay: 5.5
guy: 6.0
seth: 3.0
ibuki: 6.0
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 3.5
cammy: 5.5
makoto: 6.5
dhalsim: 4.5
rufus: 5.5
gouken: 7.0
adon: 6.0
ken: 4.5
hakan: 7.0
rose: 5.5
akuma: 3.5
balrog: 5.0
honda: 4.5
dan: 6.5
sakura: 6.0
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 4.5
fei: 5.5
cody: 6.0
abel: 5.5
blanka: 3.5
juri: 5.0


#13

User scratchback voted on zangief
viper: 5.5
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.5
chun: 3.5
deejay: 6.0
guy: 6.0
ibuki: 4.5
seth: 2.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.5
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 2.5
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 3.5
rufus: 5.5
gouken: 5.0
adon: 5.5
ken: 4.5
rose: 4.5
hakan: 6.5
akuma: 3.5
balrog: 4.5
honda: 4.0
dan: 6.5
sakura: 5.5
gen: 6.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 4.5
cody: 5.5
fei: 4.0
abel: 5.5
blanka: 3.5
juri: 5.0


#14

Thats ok.


#15

Why are you losing to fei?


#16

I can see that match being 6-4 in fei’s favor. Fei’s got great footsies and good aa and safe recca’s are the only offense he needs. C hp he can almost spam that to win a footsie war. He can zone the shit out of gief. Also his damage output is really high he can fadc out of chicken wing to do crazy damage. His wakeup options are good ex cw or his dp fadc stops wakeup pressure. I really think a good fei has the highest damage output in the game. Meaning you really don’t get to make any stupid mistakes. Try playing starnab, evil rashim or inthul and tell me that matchup is free. If your not challenged when play fei something tells me your playing either jump in happy fei or ones that don’t know which reccas are safe or the don’t punish well. Or maybe I’m missing something.


#17

User iMatt voted on zangief
viper: 6.0
guile: 4.5
bison: 4.0
chun: 4.0
deejay: 4.0
guy: 5.5
ibuki: 4.0
seth: 2.5
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 2.5
cammy: 6.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 6.0
rufus: 5.5
gouken: 6.0
adon: 4.0
ken: 5.0
rose: 6.0
hakan: 5.0
akuma: 3.0
balrog: 5.5
honda: 4.5
dan: 6.0
sakura: 5.0
gen: 5.5
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.0
cody: 5.5
fei: 5.0
abel: 4.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 4.0


#18

bp covered a lot of reasons but to put it bluntly he has annoying-ass footsies and rekkas always seem to come out of nowhere. good feis are just hard to get in on and do damage. now i haven’t played elite ones but i have played a handful of pretty good ones and it’s a pretty hard match imo.


#19

rekkas are safe if spaced right. So really this is a spacing issue, meaning the player who is better with spacing has the advantage - in other words, no character-specific advantage here.

c.hp ok yes I have trouble with that, but that’s it. I’ve never faced a fei player that will degrade the match to spamming c.hp the whole time either. And ok I got caught with fei’s U2 more than once.

everything else is baitable/punishable. cw-can lariat on reaction. aa’s - baitable, or meaties will beat it out. Does he have anything else? Gief’s footsies are on par with fei’s imo.


#20

What i cant get is how people think Juri is not a ragequit worthy MU. Nearly on par with Chun. I know not alot of people play her but when you come across a good one. christ!

Anyway, I knew this had the potential to spiral into a theory fighter thread. lol