Not being a hater but if you’re gonna make a video blog why not get a capture card. The screen hurts my eyes :(. Nice akuma I’m also gonna try to pick him up
Tornado throw is 5 frame startup. 2 frames to attack him him from the air, 2 frames to recover, 5th frame demon activates. If your safe jump is tight it will lose to demon.
When I try the setup after forward throw x 2 dashes (a 5f safejump so it’s pretty tight) it beats everything except for EX tornado throw, even if I do just the jump-in attack and hold up without option selects, Abel will still be able to grab me.
Can you please confirm whether my timing could be off or something? Or does that mean that you have to do a 4frame safejump OS U1 to beat the EX TT which makes timing Very strict, specially after knockdowns other than sweep.
Dang Shin beat me to it.
Yep in my experience a well timed safe jump OS U1 beats out everything Abel has. Back Dash, Roll, Sky Drop, T-Throw, etc all lose to it in one way or another.
It’s actually still risky to go for that because if I choose to go for the grab you are screwed. In fact DF grab is really good against Abel since it catches several of his options.
Yeah it’s very risky since Akuma players love to abuse that DF grab vs him lol, dive kick rapes it as well (pretty sure a late dive kick is safer than DF grab because if they backdashed = free TT now that the grab has recovery), but if EX TT does work vs the OS U1, it’s still at the very least an option other than being forced to block every time.
Can you guys please go to training mode and verify that j.hk/DF palm OS U1 beats Abel’s EX TT? I just tried a 4frame setup (sweep > instant dive kick OS U1, pretty sure I timed it right because the setup whiffs on Cammy who gets up a frame slower) and still got caught by the EX TT. The only thing I can imagine that I’m messing up is timing the OS input.
I can’t get it to work either, so maybe it does hit any safe jumped OS?
I don’t know much about the properties of landing and jumping frames, but if it means anything after doing a non-OS safejump (both 4f and 5f timings) and holding up, I still got thrown by EX TT.
Also everything I checked was via the training mode dummy, so I’m not 100% sure if it’ll be any different if done vs a real opponent, but I think it’ll most likely be the same.
Aren’t landing recovery frames supposed to be 4 instead of 2 if you did an attack in the air or did I misunderstood what you said?
I’m pretty sure it two if you attack and zero if you don’t. If it was 4 you could never safe jump a 5 frame reversal.
I was editing my post as you replied, will just do a new post:
So I did some more searching to learn about the landing recovery frames properties and got the info from SRK’s wiki pages (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Street_Fighter_IV/Game_Systems/Landing_Frames_Trip_Guard).
Here’s what I understood so far and someone please correct me if I’m wrong:
So when you perform a jump-in attack, there are 4 landing frames, you can’t do shit on the first 2 and that’s why 3 frame SRK’s are impossible to safejump. It says that you you can block on the 3rd and 4th landing frames which is why we’re able to safejump 4 frame reversals, but it also mentions that you can’t special cancel or do Anything else but block during these 2 frames, since EX TT is a throw so it can’t be blocked, is that the reason why it’s beating the safejump?
An example of a perfect 4frame safejump vs Abel’s EX TT:
Last active frame of Akuma’s j.hk (or DF palm) > 1st frame of EX TT
landing frame 1 > 2nd frame of EX TT
landing frame 2 > 3rd frame of EX TT
landing frame 3 (can block only) > 4th frame of EX TT
landing frame 4 (can block only) > 5th frame and EX TT got active so you get grabbed because you can’t do anything but block
3 frame normal reversals are impossible to safejump as we already know, but when it comes to grab attacks, it seems like 1-5 frame startup grab moves are impossible to beat with normal safejumps if they have enough hit invincibility frames and get active after you land (i.e I tried with Gief 0 frame U1 it got active while I’m still in the air so it didn’t work, even though the frame data says it has 3 active frames).
For example these moves seem impossible to safejump normally:
- Gief & Hawk’s EX SPDs, they both have 4 frames of startup
- Makoto EX grab, 5 frame startup but vulnerable to palm since it has armor
- Akuma’s U1, 4 frame startup
These will lose if you delayed your jump-in on purpose so you’d hit them out after the hit invincibility frames are gone, but I don’t think that can technically be considered as a safejump, because if the opponent has other normal relatively fast reversals, you’ll lose to them.
Also there are some moves in the game like Ibuki’s U1 or Rog’s U2 grabs, I’m pretty sure these are impossible to safejump if you did a perfect 4f safejump, but they have like 1 frame of invincibility so they will lose to jump-in’s that aren’t done as fast as possible (i.e 5f safejumps which is what most people time usually anyway).
Again, if I said anything wrong please correct me guys because I don’t want to confuse people with false information lol.
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Alright guys. This is my first upload of a replay. Still figuring out video settings but the quality seems good enough. Feel free to rip me apart.
Not bad. Your opponent was pretty straight forward though and I believe you could’ve punished more of his jump ins with AA SRK or cr. HP. The only thing I can say is: Why did you FA crumple him after a Dizzy then do U1? Should’ve done the Ultra naked for more damage (maybe even the win).
Thanks for the comments. Here are 2 more matches against a decent Ibuki player. I have 0 matchup experience against ibuki since i just started playing ssf4. Please comment
hey everyone I uploaded some new commentaries with akuma discussions on 50/50 mixups and some other stuff… Some people have said they enjoyed it so i figured i’d post it here.
stop by and check them out, I’ll post a new set focusing on some more akuma stuff later tonight.
Rugi, you gonna be at Evo this year?
afraid not man, i don’t have the money for it this year.
Heh! I was checking out youtube on my GalaxyS when I happened to catch your videos and I was so happy that you’re playing Akuma again! I’ll have to re-watch the last two vids where you go into the D-Jay matchup as that’s one of my worst ones…
Your video on the Dee Jay match up has helped me immensely. I suppose I just had to realize you cant Vortex him and have to beat him in the ground game
Why wouldn’t you be able to vortex him? Yeah his 4frame EX upckicks is a very good AA on wakeup, but Deejay is tatsu sweepable and after that Akuma can safejump his 4frame reversal with instant jump command dive kick, those are very good options to vortex him IMO.
Mhh if the only thing we can do is safejumping with D+MK (how’s his wakeup? if that’s standard and that safejump is a 1framer, then it’s even risky), our vortex is pretty much gone I’d say. I mean, you’re just baiting stuff, that’s not supposed to happen frequently against a good player - especially after you safejump them the first time.
I played only a few matches against decent DJs, but not having hit the lab and lacking knowledge of the matchup, it as successiful to me to just play solid with fireball and groundgame. His air normals are ridicolous too, j.LK has like what, 12 active frames? That thing seems unbeatable at times lol.