"Critique My Akuma!" Video Blog Thread

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#1682

Dang Shin beat me to it.

Yep in my experience a well timed safe jump OS U1 beats out everything Abel has. Back Dash, Roll, Sky Drop, T-Throw, etc all lose to it in one way or another.


#1683

It’s actually still risky to go for that because if I choose to go for the grab you are screwed. In fact DF grab is really good against Abel since it catches several of his options.


#1684

Yeah it’s very risky since Akuma players love to abuse that DF grab vs him lol, dive kick rapes it as well (pretty sure a late dive kick is safer than DF grab because if they backdashed = free TT now that the grab has recovery), but if EX TT does work vs the OS U1, it’s still at the very least an option other than being forced to block every time.

Can you guys please go to training mode and verify that j.hk/DF palm OS U1 beats Abel’s EX TT? I just tried a 4frame setup (sweep > instant dive kick OS U1, pretty sure I timed it right because the setup whiffs on Cammy who gets up a frame slower) and still got caught by the EX TT. The only thing I can imagine that I’m messing up is timing the OS input.


#1685

I can’t get it to work either, so maybe it does hit any safe jumped OS?


#1686

I don’t know much about the properties of landing and jumping frames, but if it means anything after doing a non-OS safejump (both 4f and 5f timings) and holding up, I still got thrown by EX TT.

Also everything I checked was via the training mode dummy, so I’m not 100% sure if it’ll be any different if done vs a real opponent, but I think it’ll most likely be the same.

EDIT:

Aren’t landing recovery frames supposed to be 4 instead of 2 if you did an attack in the air or did I misunderstood what you said?


#1687

I’m pretty sure it two if you attack and zero if you don’t. If it was 4 you could never safe jump a 5 frame reversal.


#1688

I was editing my post as you replied, will just do a new post:

So I did some more searching to learn about the landing recovery frames properties and got the info from SRK’s wiki pages (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Street_Fighter_IV/Game_Systems/Landing_Frames_Trip_Guard).

Here’s what I understood so far and someone please correct me if I’m wrong:

So when you perform a jump-in attack, there are 4 landing frames, you can’t do shit on the first 2 and that’s why 3 frame SRK’s are impossible to safejump. It says that you you can block on the 3rd and 4th landing frames which is why we’re able to safejump 4 frame reversals, but it also mentions that you can’t special cancel or do Anything else but block during these 2 frames, since EX TT is a throw so it can’t be blocked, is that the reason why it’s beating the safejump?

An example of a perfect 4frame safejump vs Abel’s EX TT:

Last active frame of Akuma’s j.hk (or DF palm) > 1st frame of EX TT
landing frame 1 > 2nd frame of EX TT
landing frame 2 > 3rd frame of EX TT
landing frame 3 (can block only) > 4th frame of EX TT
landing frame 4 (can block only) > 5th frame and EX TT got active so you get grabbed because you can’t do anything but block

3 frame normal reversals are impossible to safejump as we already know, but when it comes to grab attacks, it seems like 1-5 frame startup grab moves are impossible to beat with normal safejumps if they have enough hit invincibility frames and get active after you land (i.e I tried with Gief 0 frame U1 it got active while I’m still in the air so it didn’t work, even though the frame data says it has 3 active frames).

For example these moves seem impossible to safejump normally:

  • Gief & Hawk’s EX SPDs, they both have 4 frames of startup
  • Makoto EX grab, 5 frame startup but vulnerable to palm since it has armor
  • Akuma’s U1, 4 frame startup

These will lose if you delayed your jump-in on purpose so you’d hit them out after the hit invincibility frames are gone, but I don’t think that can technically be considered as a safejump, because if the opponent has other normal relatively fast reversals, you’ll lose to them.

Also there are some moves in the game like Ibuki’s U1 or Rog’s U2 grabs, I’m pretty sure these are impossible to safejump if you did a perfect 4f safejump, but they have like 1 frame of invincibility so they will lose to jump-in’s that aren’t done as fast as possible (i.e 5f safejumps which is what most people time usually anyway).

Again, if I said anything wrong please correct me guys because I don’t want to confuse people with false information lol.


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#1689

Alright guys. This is my first upload of a replay. Still figuring out video settings but the quality seems good enough. Feel free to rip me apart.

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#1690

Not bad. Your opponent was pretty straight forward though and I believe you could’ve punished more of his jump ins with AA SRK or cr. HP. The only thing I can say is: Why did you FA crumple him after a Dizzy then do U1? Should’ve done the Ultra naked for more damage (maybe even the win).


#1691

Thanks for the comments. Here are 2 more matches against a decent Ibuki player. I have 0 matchup experience against ibuki since i just started playing ssf4. Please comment

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#1692

hey everyone I uploaded some new commentaries with akuma discussions on 50/50 mixups and some other stuff… Some people have said they enjoyed it so i figured i’d post it here.

http://www.youtube.com/rugiohhhh

stop by and check them out, I’ll post a new set focusing on some more akuma stuff later tonight.


#1693

Rugi, you gonna be at Evo this year?


#1694

afraid not man, i don’t have the money for it this year.


#1695

Heh! I was checking out youtube on my GalaxyS when I happened to catch your videos and I was so happy that you’re playing Akuma again! I’ll have to re-watch the last two vids where you go into the D-Jay matchup as that’s one of my worst ones…


#1696

Your video on the Dee Jay match up has helped me immensely. I suppose I just had to realize you cant Vortex him and have to beat him in the ground game


#1697

Why wouldn’t you be able to vortex him? Yeah his 4frame EX upckicks is a very good AA on wakeup, but Deejay is tatsu sweepable and after that Akuma can safejump his 4frame reversal with instant jump command dive kick, those are very good options to vortex him IMO.


#1698

Mhh if the only thing we can do is safejumping with D+MK (how’s his wakeup? if that’s standard and that safejump is a 1framer, then it’s even risky), our vortex is pretty much gone I’d say. I mean, you’re just baiting stuff, that’s not supposed to happen frequently against a good player - especially after you safejump them the first time.

I played only a few matches against decent DJs, but not having hit the lab and lacking knowledge of the matchup, it as successiful to me to just play solid with fireball and groundgame. His air normals are ridicolous too, j.LK has like what, 12 active frames? That thing seems unbeatable at times lol.


#1699

One of the fundamental things about vortex (at least to me) is that for every option there has to be an equally safe alternative option in terms of mixup. Even though 4 frame reversals are technically safe jumpable, it is nearly impossible to perform 4 frame safejumps with a high rate of precision as you could with a 5 frame dp. Sure you could set up a frame perfect command divekick for the same side, but what’s to make him afraid of it if he knows thats your one and only option? Theoretically you COULD set up a crossup safejump against him but again, getting a 1 frame safejump is extremely difficult and not worth the risk in my opinion.


#1700

Let’s face it, most vortex mix up options are not safe or easily avoidable. DF throw? Unsafe as hell and avoidable. X-up tatsu? Pretty easy to auto correct DP in most scenarios. Cross over palm? Eats spammy DPs.

The point is the vortex is about establishing unpunishable and difficult to escape pressure with potential OS back up to force your opponent into a block. Once they choose to block then you can open them up with the other options. DeeJay is not different. Unlike 90% of the rest of the cast at least we have an easy and 100% safe setup to pressure him. It is the fear of this setup that allows you to use your other options.

And if DeeJay chooses not to block…he hits you with his up kicks. Oh well. At least he doesn’t get to tack on an ultra like Ryu, Viper, Sagat…etc.


#1701

gotta get those anti airs when she jumps in! a few hints when ur fighting ibuki
1.when she gets a hard knock down on you and trys kunai mix up. On you’re wake up focus to take the kunai n dash out, Ibuki can os Neck breaker on you’re teleport even tho she didn’t do it. Practice that in training mode. comes in handy vs a good Ibuki player
2. you can safe jump her on wake up she has a 5frame start up on her Dragon kick even ex dragon kick. oh and if you safe jump her n she does an Ex dragon kick most of the time they’ll throw a kunai right after. so after you block the ex dragon kick focus absorb kunai dash and punish accordingly.
3.her double head stomp is very noticeable over all @1:55 in ur first video block high Focus to absorb kunai dash forward and punish accordingly.
4. when you use Cr.med punch in a block string say for instance you do Cr.jab-Cr.jab-Cr.strong wait like 1sec then do another Cr.strong to catch them pressing a button to get a counter hit to sweep works very well. try to incorporate that in you’re game play.
5. Get down Os sweep to catch Back dashes on wake up.