Delta Red Intelligence: SSF4 Match-up Thread

cammy

#1

Figured we could use a new match up thread for SSF4.

EDIT: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gl8iUVQ1sdCyw3ISRmHT7hmItWuk6FP0AtRcbf14jQw/edit?hl=en_US Check here for all AE related matchups. It’s a whole lot easier to maintain.

Anyways I’m going to do my best to keep the first page up to date. Anyways here’s the plan for the front page. I want the “top” Cammy players to PM me about match ups whenever possible. From there I can edit the first/second post and copy paste what each player has said about the match up. This means we might have 5 or so different opinions on one particular match up and I’ll keep them separated by who sent me the PM. Then any Cammy player can click and read up on all the different opinions of any match up. Players who have PM’d me in the past should PM me again if they have updated strategies or found new character specific mix ups.

As for who’s a top player, I’m not judging. If you think you’re good and you want to help the rest of the community out I’m willing to give you a fair shot. That doesn’t mean you can say anything you want and I’ll paste it here, but I will read through your PM and if I have any concerns, I will get back to you. I will also try to read through the thread and keep the front page updated if I see anything front page worthy. Also feel free to ask questions on the thread. I’ll also try and put down some of my strategies down here too.

Edit: Feel free to post in the thread instead of PMing me. It wouldn’t be fair for the others if I were to be the first to hear everything. I’ll try to keep up with copy/pasting on the first 2 posts. If I screw up or miss your post, feel free to PM me. I’m not trying to ignore anyone and I don’t have anything against any Cammy player here. Unless Alexanima comes back… lolol

Sorry for the wall of text :stuck_out_tongue: Onto the match ups!!

Abel

Adon

Thanks to icrossj

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8794972

Thanks to The-Olympian

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8796268

Thanks to The-Olympian

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index12.html#post8915382
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Akuma

Balrog (Boxer)

Thanks to YellerDog

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index16.html#post8980879

My Own write up

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index14.html#post8945697

Blanka

Thanks to Carpark

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Cammy

Chun-Li

Thanks to Faux123

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8805451

Cody

Thanks to DJ_San

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8827301

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C. Viper

Thanks to bennijai

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index14.html#post8946693

Dan

Dee Jay

Thanks to DJSan

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8791608

Thanks to CoosCoos

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index36.html#post9379671

Dhalsim

Thanks to Fenix7728

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index23.html#post9136925

Thanks to Geoff The Hero

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index23.html#post9136851

Dudley

Thanks to DJ_San

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8827301

E. Honda

Thanks to Carpark

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Thanks to Cwistofu

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8810906

Thanks to FindMyFarms

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index16.html#post8989848
http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index18.html#post9029203 [/details]

El Fuerte

Thanks to Kitori

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index40.html#post9521434

Fei Long

My own write up

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index15.html#post8948726

Thanks to Faux123

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index15.html#post8948818

Thanks to The Olympian, Coos Coos and B0kkin, plus Killa Sasa for compiling the information

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index35.html#post9363095

Gen


#2

Gouken

Guile

Thanks to Carpark

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Thanks to FindMyFarms

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index10.html#post8911435
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Guy

Thanks to DJSan

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8791200
http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index8.html#post8895019

Hakan

Thanks to Capetusco

[details=Spoiler]http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8788772

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8793398
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Thanks to TheProtagonist

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8821965[/details]

MP Crossups Work

Ibuki

Thanks to Faux123

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8805451

Thanks to FindMyFarms

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index8.html#post8897481

Thanks to CarPark

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8806230

Thanks to Poptags08

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8837391

Thanks to MingoDynasty

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index21.html#post9106579

Thanks to CoosCoos

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index23.html#post9125270

Juri

Thanks to icrossj

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8801156

Thanks to Faux123

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8805451

Thanks to The-Olympian

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index4.html#post8842711

Thanks to Carpark

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index9.html#post8897967

Ken

Makoto

Thanks to Cwistofu

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8794971

Thanks to DJ_San

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8827301
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M. Bison (Dictator)

Thanks to Nerfherder

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8824475
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Thanks to DJ_San

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8827301
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Thanks to The-Olympian

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index6.html#post8878859

Thanks to Stabicron

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index19.html#post9047957

Thanks to Niko9193

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index19.html#post9048152

Thanks to B0kkin

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index19.html#post9053535

Rose

Thanks to The-Olympian

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index5.html#post8859981
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Rufus

Thanks to Dullyanna

[details=Spoiler] http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index10.html#post8912410

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Ryu

Sagat

Sakura

Seth

T.Hawk

Thanks to DJSan

[details=Spoiler]
http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/#post8791608 [/details]

Thanks to Poptags08

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index3.html#post8837391

Thanks to Dullyanna

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8818135

Vega (Claw)

Thanks to Fenix7728

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index20.html#post9072818

Thanks to Highlulu

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index20.html#post9073288

Zangief

Thanks to AuLord

Spoiler

http://shoryuken.com/f278/delta-red-intelligence-super-street-fighter-4-match-up-thread-233381/index2.html#post8796612


#3

what do u consider to be “top” cammy players?


#4

second paragraph kind of answers the question. Anyone who thinks they’re good and wants to help everyone else. I’d be happy to hear from them and I’d consider them to be top players.


#5

Well, I haven’t played Super, but I’ve heard Zangief’s Lariat will have to be used more sparingly.

This means we have easier approaches via teh hooliganz.

That’s all I know so far, will get back to you on any finds.


#6

I got a few points I want to share with delta red: (I rather post here than send a PM, so everyone can discuss it - hope u dont mind, Stein)

Hakan / Pick Gyro Drive Smasher.

I got to play various sets against him. Interesting match, probably in Cammys favor. Hakan has a really hard time against TKstrike pressure, specially on wakeup. No solid AAs (well… beware of air throw). Because of this 99% of them will pick Ultra 2.

When he has revenge gauge, keep Cstrikes honest. Dont DP his wakeup unless you want to eat Ultra 2. The key is to bait it: after a knockdown do safe Tkstrikes and then stop. Mix it up. Mindgames comes to play once he has Oil Combination Hold stored.

Dont forget to block down a lot. Slide is fast and f.HK hurts too, specially oiled up. Talking about oil, Hakan is going to have such a hard time against cammy because he needs constantly to oil himself; which can be punished with Spiral Arrow and Ultra 1.

Far HK is a good tool against Hakan, so is crossup j.LK :lovin: Hooligan tricks works wonders too, its funny. Remember his backdash sucks. But obviously you wont be doing this when Revenge gauge is up. I didnt used focus attack much against him. Maybe because I was too scared of command throw range… once its oiled, its ridiculous. He goes like half screen (:wgrin:) and grabs you. And he WILL use it as reversal after blocked Cstrike.

Rush Hakan down.


#7

Hey thanks for the post capetusco. I’m glad you posted here instead of PM’d me actually. The more I think of it I shouldn’t be the first to hear everything. I’ll read and copy/paste some of the information I read. If I MISS SOMETHING, PM me and we can discuss etc.

I wanted to ask about the hooligan setups, the 2 times I fought Hakan I haven’t been able to use my usual hooligan stuff on him. Can you elaborate on which setups work and don’t work? Thanks


#8

Just a note of interest for Hakan, the jumping MP ambiguous cross-up works on him so keep him guessing time to time. :slight_smile:


#9

I actually need some help with Adon. Don’t know what’s safe and what’s not and I’m not learning much by experience :frowning:


#10

From the very very few matches I had against Adon (well I was playing someone who also just chose him, for fun, and had not much experience except for some crossups and some basic moves. no link combos) -

(this was a casual match offline)

You can probably Cspike his Dive kicks on reaction. I was also able to Ex hooligan grab him when he goes to the wall (kind of like how Vega does his dive). I tried to CStrike on his wake up sometimes, a high CStrike, it’ll trade with his DP (not sure what its called). Other than that, I’m not sure… need more matches. And his damn dive kicks are armor breaking :frowning:


UPDATE: Read second post like 10 post below…


#11

Noticable things about Guy from playing him a bit -

  • He has to get in in order to do damage off of final fight chains

  • If he elbows, depending on the arc dictates what it’s better to do :
    If he is above you : J . HP will shut him decently, possibly standing mp as well.
    If he is 45 degree’s from you - You may Cannon Spike him.
    ** DO NOT BOTHER AIR THROWING GUY ** - His flying neck breaker and izuna drop beat Cammy in the air, just wait for him to come to you.

  • Guy’s EX run works simular to El Fuerte. However - His flying kick is slow (feels simular to Wheel kick) and it is possible to cannon spike it on reaction. If he does slide, there is a possibility to TKCS it, but I have not been able to test it out yet.

  • Guy can’t really do much on wake up aside from back dash and EX Hurricane kick. Abuse this, as Cammy has a strong wake up game.

These are things I have noticed.


#12

Ex hooligan beats izuna drop
EX izuna drop beats Ex hooligan

Also Guy get Izune drop you out a ca
And Guile can air throw guy :frowning: Wish we had his air throw


#13

Yeah I wish too. Cammy has one of the worst air throws in game.

** Deejay **
EX Jack Knife (Up kicks) beats out TKCS clean.
If you see Air slasher, expect Deejay to slide if you jump over it.
Against Deejay’s ambiguous cross up, it’s best to back dash it on wake up. If you DP out of it, Deejay can catch you with a throw or slide, resetting the pattern.

** T Hawk **

After fighting Kenuran’s Hawk a second time, I caught onto a few things.

  • Cammy can poke, but poke scarcely, Hawk can FA it and immediately dash into 360 against Cammy pokes.
  • Medium Hooligan on wake up surprisingly effective vs. Hawk
  • He’s huge enough that you can cross up into tick throws , but be careful considering the average online player can probably mash 360 against this.
  • Block Hawk Dive, punish with Spiral arrow. Simular to fighting Blanka in that area. Careful though, Hawk Dive crosses up, so I would not recommend blocking low against it.

#14

The only thing I’d like to add right now is that Cammy vs. Guile is going to be really bad now. Guile is a lot harder to break this time around, so I’m not sure if this fight is gonna become one of her worst. None of her improvements help her break Guile’s barrier, and now Guile can charge for Sonic Booms and Flash Kicks much faster. I’ll have to keep experimenting with this fight, but it’s probably going to become one of the harder ones for Cammy.

  • James

#15

All she needed in super was an Ultra that kills Guile. That’s it. It only works on Guile, but it’d be better than CQC


#16

I’d CSpike them, but he can choose the distance, so if you’re not close, you won’t be able to spike that shit without risking whiffing it. :stuck_out_tongue:


#17

Basic setups that works great:

  • HP Hooligan after Cspike, grab
  • MP Hooligan after forward throw, grab.
  • MP Hooligan after back throw, grab cancel, TKCS (so damn fun) or Throw.

Wish I could test LP/MP Hooligan after deep Spiral Arrow (if he quick stands).


#18

well from what i know about adon his jajuar tooth is not that great. U can easily back dash that move if its heavy. Now for his dp rising jaguar it does go very high but its fast as hell. im guessing a cannon strike can beat that out unless he uses ex.

here are some small tidbits of things to look out for.

watch hawks short condor spire because he can easily command throw out of that. also ex condor spire links into ex condor dive and some other ex move

if you are playing against a shoto who likes to crossover tatsu i would recommend picking cqc for the simple reason that you can counter ultra a cross over tatsu and its something you can see coming.

i have to note that e.honda is probley gonna be one of her worst matchups now. is headbutts have gotten better and i dont think he has gotten any nerfs at all. And guiles new charge time makes him extremly hard to get through seeing as how everytime they throw a sonic boom they throw a random normal that has good range. oh and thawk is defentily top tier!


#19

Alright, T Hawk is becoming the new Gief for me. His recovery it seems to be pretty good. I tried throwing him so that I could do MP Hooligan mixup after a wiffed DP (condor something) and he just command grabs me. Any pointers?


#20

Makoto

Definitely in Cammy’s favor. You just gotta get in and you’re set. Mak has no good reversal options, so on a knockdown you’re pretty free to do whatever you want. Dive kick pressure all day. If she gets on the offensive, she’s really scary; just be mindful of her command grab. I think all of her non-EX hayate punches are unsafe (should be able to c.lk xx hk SA just in time). If you’ve got a Makoto that is trying to space you out with hayate, you can stop all versions (including EX) with jab, just like honda’s headbutt. Her jump arc doesn’t have a lot of horizontal, so be wary of that when trying to AA her. Hooligan traps work well on her.