Every rose has it's thorn: Dudley Match-up Index

dudley

#1

Welcome to the Dudley Matchup Thread! The way this thread works is, it acts as an index for character matchup discussion threads we’ve already had. those threads will remain open even after the day is done, but can be accessed from this thread easily.

Here’s a great reference guide to character specific punishes: http://shoryuken.com/threads/232963

Here is the link to the original Matchup thread, there’s still some useful information on there:

http://shoryuken.com/f333/every-rose-has-its-thorn-dudley-matchup-thread-233849/

I removed the information that was on the old thread from this one to make it look neater and it wouldn’t be cluttered, but i klinked it here so that the information could still be accessible.

The way this thread works is, it acts as an index for character matchup discussion threads we’ve already had. those threads will remain open even after the day is done, but can be accessed from this thread easily.

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Abel

Spoiler

[In-Depth Matchup Discussion: Abel’] [URL='http://shoryuken.com/f333/there-no-shortcut-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-abel-254012/’]http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-abel/112711]('http://[URL=‘http://shoryuken.com/f333/there-no-shortcut-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-abel-254012/’)

Adon

[details=Spoiler]
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-adon/115948[/details]

Akuma

Spoiler

In-Depth Matchup Discussion: Akuma

Balrog(Boxer)

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In-Depth Matchup Discussion: Balrog

Blanka

[details=Spoiler]
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-blanka/116140[/details]

C. Viper

[details=Spoiler]
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-c-viper/116141[/details]

Cammy

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 19: Cammy

Cody

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 3: Cody

Chun Li

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Chun-Li Matchup

Dhalsim

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 9: Dhalsim

E. Honda

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 4: E. Honda

Evil Ryu

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Fei Long

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 5: Fei Long

Guile

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 6: Guile

Guy

Spoiler

Its on this page

Hakan

[details=Spoiler]
Hasn’t Been Discussed yet[/details]

Ibuki

[details=Spoiler]
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-ibuki/113462[/details]

Juri

[details=Spoiler]
Hasn’t Been Discussed yet[/details]

Ken

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 10: Ken

M. Bison(Dictator)

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 7: M. Bison

Makoto

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Oni

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Rose

Spoiler

There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 8: Rose

Rufus

[details=Spoiler]
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/in-depth-matchup-discussion-rufus/118077[’][/details]
]('In-depth Matchup Discussion: Rufus[/spoiler)

Ryu

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet[/details]

Sagat

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http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/there-is-no-shortcut-to-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-day-11-sagat/111626[’]

]('There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 11: Sagat[/spoiler)

Sakura

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Seth

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

T. Hawk

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Vega(Claw)

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 2: Vega

Yang

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Yun

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Hasn’t Been Discussed yet

Zangief

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There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 1: Zangief

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DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD! THIS IS SIMPLY AN INDEX TO FIND DISCUSSION THREADS!!!


#2

So I’m starting a project where for a little bit of time I’ll use different characters just to learn match-up. I friend told me that if the best way to figure out how to beat a character is to use them yourself and learn what they’re good at and their limitations. That being said I figured I’d post my conclusions here to help with filling out the match-up dex.

This week’s first character is Guy

Guy is a character that I think a lot of people sleep on, although if you don’t know the match-up I can understand why one could eat you apart. Guy’s strengths come from his [and his opponent’s] position on the level and has a legitimate mix-up game and all the tools to put his opponent where he wants them.

Guy’s Gameplan

Gameplan

[details=Spoiler]In the center of the stage Guy doesn’t have great damage potential. Most of his BnB’s are short and unless it’s a punish [even then, save for super], you’re not going to watch your lifebar drop a whole lot when getting hit; however his combo’s are effective at doing something else: Sticking you in the corner. Most of Guy’s throws and attacks are made to send the opponent far, in hopes they get stuck in the corner, where pretty much every combo deals notable damage and he has several mix-ups to keep you there.

Speaking of, his mix-up game is something that should not be taken lightly. A tricky guy will keep you on your toes with his myriad of high and low attacks and throws once you’re in the corner. In the corner is also where his ultra’s actually gain use. Ultra 1 is a combo-into ultra that on average if combo’ed into will deal roughly 450 damage [with leeway both ways]. Ultra 2 is a grab ultra [the raging demon with the lights on, lol] that does 500 even.[/details]

Guy’s Ultra’s

Ultra 1

[details=Spoiler]Ultra 1

The ultra Guy is able to combo into. It isn’t that good… In fact it’s down right terrible. Unless they are in the corner or close to it, you can’t combo into it. It’s got really long start up [12 frames [1 +11]] and only works if Guy’s gameplan is working [which is counter-productive to how you gain ultra meter, but whatever]. If you’re not in the corner, chances are you don’t even have to worry about this. It is visually awesome though; however, that matter’s little.

Ultra 2

This is Guy’s grab ultra. It’s sadly, probably the better of the two ultra’s. It’s got great start-up [2 Frames [1 +1]] and deals more damage than the first ultra. Guy can use it pretty well in his mix-up game and should be considered much more of a threat than the first ultra in any scenario. The range on it also isn’t bad [Visual: http://i46.tinypic.com/i1yber.jpg]. A trick I’ve seen some Guy’s [Ryan Hart for example] do is start a combo and then finish it with run > stop, Ultra 2. This doesn’t combo, but will catch you if you’re sleeping. [/details]

Guy’s Specials

Specials

[details=Spoiler]Hozanto

light Hozanto is a basic combo finisher. In the corner EX Hozanto can be followed up after a light one. This attack breaks armor and every version knocks down. Only the light version is safe on block [-2], everything is -2 more for each higher version [mp: -4, hp: -6, ex: -6 also]. Only the light version combo’s so if they try a different one, just sweep them out of it.

Bunshin Senpuukyaku [the hurricane kick]

Another combo finisher, and extender for combo’s in the corner. Not much to say about this one except that the EX version is Guy’s only reversal. If you can bait it or predict it, it is highly punishable.

*Run > [stop, slide [low], overhead kick [high]][i/]

This is part of guy’s mix-up game. Run > slide can combo normally from some of his stuff. Run > overhead does not combo, but if he catches you with it while you’re in the air, he can follow up for ultra 1 in the corner [it combo’s]. I tested it multiple times, and I found it very difficult to counter the overhead kick. Rarely I could sneak in an ex dp, but everything else of Dudley’s seems to get beat or doesn’t come out fast enough.

Jump > [elbow or throw]

Guy’s command flip to elbow does not combo, but as far as I tested it cannot be punished if blocked. It says it has recovery of 8 frames but I’m not sure. Perhaps someone could do more testing? The throw on the other hand is dangerous [200 damage a pop] [Visual: http://i47.tinypic.com/2v1x2ep.png]If the flip get’s close to you, c.hp will either beat it or if they elbow, trade with the elbow in your favor. This is not as hard to react to as the overhead kick. Generally, crouching renders the throw useless, or makes it incredibly hard to land.

Air Throw

Just know Guy has an air throw. Does 180 damage. Don’t get caught.[/details]

Guy’s Normals

Normals

[details=Spoiler]Guy has a 4 frame jab! Abuse the hell out of your 3 frame jab.
Guy’s only notable poke is his s.mk and probably his c.mk.
Guy’s c.mk is 2-hits, it is safe on block and only the 2nd hit knocks down.
Guy’s only decent, meterless, anti-air is his s.hk, which beats the elbow clean.
The EX Hurricane kick is guy’s only reversal and also an anti-air.
Guy’s slide [c.hk] knocks down and if not spaced properly is incredibly unsafe on block.[/details]

Match-Up Evaluation

Match-Up

[details=Spoiler]I think this fight is 5-5.

Dudley hits harder than guy, has a faster jab, and Guy is weak against a crouching opponent. His high attack can be reacted to, and blocked high. If guy get’s pressured all he can do is ex hurricane kick. Guy can space out Dudley to the tip of his c.mk and keep Dudley at bay. Also, If Guy is smart, they will use Ultra 2 for this fight because once he get’s ultra, it severely limits what Dudley can do [Anything -2 is punishable]. Both character’s will be fighting for momentum in this match-up and whoever can get it generally wins.[/details]

If you’re interested, I haven’t chosen another character to do yet, so if you’d like to make a suggestion, or follow along and ask info, pm me and I’ll provide you the info.

Hope all of this helps

-East

edit Currently doing E. Honda


#3

I think the Dudley-Guy matchup is pretty bad for Guy IF Guy didn’t have s.mk. Guy’s stuff is really unsafe and stupid. 90% of his tricks can be reversal’d on reaction with EX Jet Upper or U2. On the flipside, Guy can keep Dudley out literally by just pressing s.mk.


#4

matchup thread has been updated with day’s 1 through 6


#5

Instead of having two matchup threads, why don’t I just put a link to each of your new threads in my matchup thread.


#6

We still need a true indepth matchup for balrog and rose :\


#7

I dont mean to be a downer or anything but every time i see these threads pretty much every character “hasn’t been discussed yet”.


#8

you realize this just started right? if you want to see a certian character discussed be sure to mention it on the current discussion


#9

You should make Day 8 soon.


#10

This.


#11

That.


#12

This.

3S are you going to respond to me?


#13

yeah, go ahead, doesn’t make a difference to me, just so long as players are getting the information


#14

dudley

so who are we evaluating…


#15

I vote for Dhalsim or Akuma for the next topic.


#16

Any tips for the Ken matchup? Like a GOOD ken not your run of the mill Ranked mode Ken?


#17

Can you just go down the roster now instead of waiting for a request?

If you insist on request, do Abel.


#18

I, for one, want to see Ibuki get discussed. It seems to be a real problem match up for me, largely because all the ibuki’s I ever get to play are of the jump back+kunai / fullscreen neckbreaker school. The one really good Ibuki in my area really gives me a lot of trouble, and the only time I get to learn the match up is when I get to play him irl. I know this match up is not really regarded as a bad one for Dudley, but I seem to be missing a proper method to approach her on the ground.


#19

http://shoryuken.com/f333/there-no-shortcut-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-abel-254012/

http://shoryuken.com/f333/there-no-shortcut-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-ibuki-255148/


#20

Quoting this because lmao