#36

In my opinion, I’d be against the whole 1 character thing…

The whole idea here was to see who is the absolute best ST player in the US, not to see who is the best with a certain character in the US. Limiting people to picking only 1 character seriously isolates players…giving some a huge handicap, and others a huge advantage…for example, Jason Cole plays ONLY Dhalsim in tournament play, so obviously he’s at a major advantage here, and is probably why he agreed with this idea…

The round robin will just be a slew of “well we knew who would win that match, so-and-so is dominant in that matchup” with maybe a handful of upsets thrown in here are there. That’s not a “best in the US” event at all, that will be a boring day of seeing standard counter matches that nobody can do anybody about. Might look good on tape since people will learn the ins and outs of the matches of ST, but it makes for one shitty tournament.

I pick 3 characters in serious tournament play, not one. I don’t have a determined “best fighter,” I like to think that all three guys I pick are good in certain situations. I’m not a one trick pony, I’m the type of player who adapts to the situation. Some people, like Cole, pick only one character who really has no counter, and masters that character. Then there are others who adapt to situations and select different characters.

I’m not entering a round robin ST tournament that only allows me to select 1 character because I’m not out to prove I’m the best Vega, or the best Dee Jay, or whatever in the US…because that’s not what I care about. I want to prove I’m the best overall competitive ST player in the country, not the best with one character. So if that’s what you’re doing at EVO, count me out.

#37

OK DSP is out. So how many we got left? We getting this down to 10 people?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

J-Cole

#38

Another alternative would be to just vote people in for the RR, and use it as a qualifier for a 5on5 with japan. Several reasons why:

  1. I think SRK just wants to see more ST than they care who the US champion is… In fact i’m not sure why theres even a US championship, is ST the “We can’t beat japan so we make our own titles” game?

I remember Valle (if it wasn’t him i apologize, i can’t search ATM) complaining that players are content with money matching each other instead of winning tournies, it would be really ironic if all the top OG ST players were involved in basically one big money match for a lesser title.

  1. The 1 character format makes more sense in a team tourney qualifier, because you can only play one char in the 5on5 (you would have to allow duplicates).

  2. It solves the controversy about who gets selected because you can just let srk vote.

  3. People will be less inclined to win swap if theres still a reason to keep your placing.

  4. This was tried before in MvC2, and i didn’t see it solve anything as far as history is concerned. I think everyone agrees that the ‘dethroning’ occured when sanford beat justin legit in tournament finals. Without that, the invitational would have been a ‘nice win’, not a championship.

  5. Because it’s a qualifier, you can have it at an earlier time or even the night before the first tourney day.

Letting SRK vote on 10, having a RR to trim the list down to 5, and sending those to beat up on japans team sounds pretty good to me. As you can see the politics over this tournament has already started, the only way to really crown a champ is to have a open tournament or at least a lot more than 10 people, and the only ST champ that is worth talking about will be the next one to win a tourney with pretty much everyone that could ever have a shot at the title in it, regardless of origin.

So instead lets turn this into something that I think the players would be just as excited about, something fair to all the players involved, and keep the singles goal to be the champ of all of ST.

#39

Nah keep it as an invitational.

This isn’t a “We cant beat the Japs so lets not let them in”. Its to see who actualy is the best. And this will be a tournie not some “Big money match”.

By forcing some one to stick with one character it will also show how well you know the game. A person that has taken the time to work out the bad matchups is more skilled then a person that has just worked out 3-4 characters to counter pick their opponent.

Nah…

People are less likely to win swap if its winner take all.

This ws never posed as a Championship. Its more of a who is the best of the best and where do you place. The championship will be the 32 man invitational, 3v3 and the EVO game.

Im looking at this as more of an exabition (sp?).

NKI im behind you 100%.

#40

Have the round robin seed an 8 way single elimination bracket. Ties determined by who won their match, unless its for 8th, in which case their match is continued to a best of 5(w/l is kepted from their previous match, so if you went 2-1, you start ahead by that). I simply hate the idea of losing from a tie in a round robin without a rematch. As long as you make top 8 in the rr(which if you didn’t you probably don’t have a big chance of winning anyway), you can still come back to take first. Assuming no tie for 8th, this adds 7 matches to the tournament. I’d suggest 3/5 matches for the final 8.

I’m also against limiting it to one character per person.

#41

No!

NO!

You back out of money matches, and we fall back. You back out of fights, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!

#42

The entire point of win swapping is in winner take all. i.e. it doesn’t matter if i get 3rd or 4th, so i’m going to drop the games vs one person, and play really hard vs another person. I’ll get 4th instead of 3rd, but my friend will win instead of the other guy.

I am as well, but NKI needs to come and say what he’s behind, if he wants a NKI invitational with his own rules and whatever 10 players he wants, so he can play them all, then great, i love it. Just say your pissed off about what happened last year and your inviting everyone to play in your invitational, invite who you want, and do whatever you want and get it done. Have single char, make everyone play as O.Sagat, whatever you feel like doing.

But if you expect people to say “I won NKI’s tourney, therefore i am the best ST player in the US, all grudges settled, end of discussion”, the it’s going to be a different conversation, and the rules need to be looked at with a different set of eyes.

EDIT: I posted the 5on5 as sort of a third idea, and that is still on the table as well.

I think that’s whats really throwing the discussion off, the posts are just coming from different directions and now it’s hard to tell where you want to go with this. NKI pick what direction you want to go first, then we’ll talk about what tournament gets you there, then everyone can go with that.

#43

wtf graham is posting? go back to EQ fool! :wgrin:

another note: nobody loves me :frowning:

#44

We don’t talk about you buk cause we already know your the ChampBell, only losing to Gian(#1) and Tokido(#3) and beating DSP. Your belt is in the mail.

Now that I think about it I only lost to Tokido and a pause… wheres my beef?

#45

I lost to David Spenc and Mike Watson. I want a fucking belt too.

#46

Hey I only lost to japan, and barely at that. ANYWAY, I would much rather have a 5 on 5 vs japan ‘IF’ some decent japan players are coming that know ST. If not, knock it down to 3 on 3. The invitational does seem kind of silly, sure free money eh whatever. For some reason, i dont think to many top ST players are even coming this year. So everything will be settled during EVO ST major. So why have ANOTHER ST single on top of EVO. It just starting to seem redundant now. Its almost like NKI saying ’ these are the guys i want to play agaisnt to test my skill, so lets have a small RR tourney so i can play them all and see where i stand.’

Anyway, Team tourney good, RR uneccessary. FMJ is right (geez did i say that shit?) its really about beating japan. Lets have so more players other then myself who has beatin Japan in a major =P

J-Cole

#47

shutup, ya hate ST… hater :rofl:

#48

Yeah buk im back, i heard smelly cole was winning these st tourneys so i had to come show people some of what it used to be like with cole taking 5th place! lol. Also i heard that japanese been winning this tourney last couple years so had to come help out scrubby cole beat the japanese.

Graham

#49

Ahh the good times are coming back!

#50

A couple of things, a RR style tourney can be done for more than 8 people. Just do pools of 8 to whatever, then advance X of entrants into a new pool of X entrants. Or try Swiss Pairs snicker.

Also, if individual games are to be counted I.e. losing 3-2 is better than losing 3-0, then character’s HAVE to be locked. Otherwise even inferior players can counter pick someone to a 3-2 match count, esp against a known honda, gief, whatever character.

If all that really matters is overall wins and maybe win % would be factored in tie breaks, then I suppose open character selection if ok.

#51

I actually really agree with Cole here, theres all the drama about who’s really best in the US, but honestly we should be worrying about who Japan is sending this year to kick our asses. Who the hell was Gian? He shows up out of nowhere and creams us, and instead of being concerned about being owned by Japan for the upteenth time, we’re on here nitpicking about the PS1 version of ST and who’s a fluke winner.

What we should really be doing is setting up a way to practice against each other and get as much into our game as possible to beat Japan…that’s what it’s really all about. I feel I would get a lot more useful practice playing in a round robin that lets me switch characters and play the matches I would have played in a singles tournament, rather than put me into the corner in unbalanced matches. If we were forced to pick one character only, I would have to decide on either Vega or Dee Jay…which means I either lose for free to Dhalsim or Balrog/Honda, take your pick. OR I could go random mode and pick Blanka, and end up losing most of my matches.

I just want to get some fucking practice in man! Let’s start setting some shit in stone!

#52

Sorry I don’t have time at this moment to reply to everything, but I just wanted to say…

Gian is Japan’s best Dhalsim player…:confused:

(He used to go by the name Ken-O.)

And I’m sorry if I gave people the impression that you’d have to stick to one character, because that’s definitely not what I had planned…I was just saying people over-exaggerate how bad counter-characters are.

#53

Yeah, lucky for Gian that the last hit in our match was a trade and he won by a sliver. Hope he comes back, but I really doubt he will.

Anyway, nobody saying it has to be one character, that was just my suggestion. Seriously though NKI, try to find out what japanese players are going and then talk to Wizard about having a 5 on 5 for ST. If not to many, then have a 3 on 3. We can then have a quick 10 man RR to see which 5 are in.

Another singles tourney on top of EVO is not a good idea.

J-Cole

#54

i thought it was KKY…? shrug

#55

That would be totally awesome if it were feasible, but unfortunately it’s not. There have only been two Japanese ST players to ever make it to an American tournament: Gian and Daigo. I’ve tried to get more peeps to come, but they’re old, they have full-time jobs (plus families in some cases), and perhaps the most devastating factor is that Japan’s national ST tournament is right around the same time, and it’s in Osaka (so the Tokyo players have to travel across the country to go there). Muteki Guile is the only person who expressed any serious interest in going to Evo, but he said that he can only go to one or the other, and he’s going to Japan’s national tourney. :sad::sad:

I do not want to use brackets of any kind for this tourney, because I want to see the results of everyone playing against everyone.

I want to get input from other people as well so that the majority can be happy. I can say that I certainly do not plan on enforcing a single-character rule. As for the players…

Like I said, I want to see who is America’s current best ST player, and if people feel that I’m not good enough to deserve a spot in the tourney, then I don’t deserve a spot.

Me? Pissed off…? I don’t really get pissed off. :smile:

I am not angry or anything, I just think that double-elimination tourneys don’t produce precise results. I’m definitely not saying this out of bitterness, because if anything, I placed HIGHER than I should have last year.

I’m open to any suggestions you may have to make this as official as possible.

I love you Buk.

It’s not just to see where I stand, but where all the ST players stand. But like I said, if people think I don’t deserve a spot, then I don’t deserve a spot, and I won’t participate.

That’s not the direction I wanted this to go. Because of last year’s drama, I want to know where American ST players stand among themselves. Besides, given that Japan’s CvS2 and 3S players players can snag top 4 spots in our ST tourney every year, and the fact that Gian dominated practically everyone he played against, it’s already obvious that Japan is way ahead of us in ST. I don’t want to sound like a nut-riding fanboy, but in all honesty, if they sent their best players…I don’t think we would stand a chance against them in ST. :sad:

Don’t you think that a really good way to do that would be to get all of America’s best players together and have them all play against each other…?

The problem is, I’m not even confident that we could get three ST players to come. The only feasible team I can even imagine is Gian/Kuni/Daigo, if Gian decides to come back again. If that’s the case, then I’d definitely like to go with a USA vs. Japan tourney, with this RR being the qualifier.

Agreed.

KKY is dope and all, but Gian is definitely better.