Hi. This is my first post here on SRK, but I’ve been on Kaillera for a couple of months now. Some people might have seen the tag (Dr. G-Funk, that’s me :-). I really enjoy this program. It lets guys like me take on some of the world’s best without leaving home. Well, to start my rant, I created this thread to experiment with a Kaillera Player Matching system that I just mentally created. After all of those embarrassing losses being “THE” causal player that I am, there should be some kind of warning so “Casual” can play with “Casual”, “Veterans” can play with “Veterans” at their own choosing. This system is rather flaw-free is a way, so players can see to the point what their about to go against. An Even match…or an over-avalanched San Fran Rush of ph33red skill.
So Kaillera players if you don’t mind, why don’t you try and experiment with me in this new system I created. The system will differincate(sp?) between…
To do so, try to do the following in your gamer tag on the bottom when you start Kaillera…with your name, put a hyphen and one of the following letters to set you apart from certain types of players.
SS - Super Scrub
S - Scrub
C - Causal (me)
V - Veteran
HV - Hardcore Veteran
The above are pretty self-explantory and should be placed like so…
Ex: Mine…Dr. G-Funk - C
See…there’s my name and a letter to confirm what type of player I am. Please be truthful, do not ph33r the truth:-)…skill is skill after all.
Also, you could put shorthand names for games you commonly play on Kaillera.
Just a FYI to the player.
Ex. Dr. G-Funk - C // SFA3, Puz. Bobble (Ph33r the Bobble!!, won’t be in tag, just FYI), KOFs 97’-98’
Well, I hope people start to try this system. Vets will be able to play vets, scrubs with scrubs, casuals with casuals. This system should make it easier for players to find what kind of challenger that they want to play vs. going against some random person and getting beaten to a bloody pulp…or not having there challenge -hungry skills played to their fullest extent.
Comments please? And thank you for you time…and for playing this game.
Please do me a favor and pass this on to other Kaillera players you find.
First of all, o_O
Second of all, what the hell, lol.
Third of all, I’ve never seen you in either GodWeapon or Anti3D.
Fourth of all, no one’s going to willingly label themselves a scrub. That’s what makes them a scrub in the first place.
…and then, of course, there’s the little problem that any rating system produces: smurfs. What’s worse, not having a rating system, learning who’s good and who’s not (in general) from experience, or trusting self-labeling? Methinks it’s about an even shot either way.
Even if everyone decided to be truthful about this, many don’t even bother to try to understand why they might suck. Most of them think they are good, comparing themselves to some guy they just beat last match (or stating the other guy was good, just because that guy happened to beat the other guy). I was just in a 4 player game where someone told me to wait for another guy to come, who was very good…and it ended up that person was one of the worst players I had ever seen in my life. It was obviously a case of “he beat me, so he’s good”.
95% of kaillera users suck when compared to the world players. I’m getting tired of people thinkilng they are good, and using the rest of the scrubs as a base for comparison.
The majority of kaillera says I’m some sort of kof god, but I don’t care what some noobs have to say about me, because they aren’t knowledgeable enough about the game to rate me as a player, even if they think I’m some sort of god. Compared to the offline players of Japan, I’m only upper-intermediate or possibly low-tier advanced.
Who the hell ever thought Emil was a KOF God? Everyone I’ve ever talked to thinks you’re a scrub that just lags games. And when I played, I pretty much only played with the “good” people. I think you’re guilty of what you’re accusing scrubs of–you’re the one that thinks you’re good. Compared to Japanese offline players? Please, you suck even compared to the kaillera players. And that means you also won’t be able to beat the offline CTF players, or offline Cali players. I’d rate you pretty low-tier overall, and be extremely surprised if you can even beat 10% of the people that play offline.
I should probably not have posted this, since I remember what happened the last time you argued about this: basically everyone good made fun of you and you talked about how great online players were. I remember Orange and me, and several others just being amazed.
I can play again in 2 weeks, but I doubt anyone decent is even left on kaillera if Emil is a “KOF God”. I think I’ll just either play CvS2 or 3s with Viscant, and try to force him to play KOF and A3 occasionally instead.
You haven’t seen me play. And the last person that said the same thing you said (nothingxs), got beat bad…but I never said shit about it.
You are out of date on events. Yes, Orangemegaslide made assumptions. And those assumptions changed when he fought me. He was surprised by the fact that I did not play like he believed I played, from what I had said in the thread. From then on, he had asked me for matches repeatedly, because the majority of kaillera was pathetic. He knows how I play. I’ve had some of the best matches I’ve had, with orange, because we are both reaction players that try to understand what the other is trying to do.
Who are these decent people you speak of? Elmers? Ask him, we have had alot of close games, and I can beat a reasonable amount of times (although his repeated jumping seems like a lag tactic online). But even with that, I don’t rate goodness on how many times I can beat somoene online, because you can get away with online tactics that wouldn’t work offline. I rate people’s goodness with how close their fighting resembles high level gameplay - both in execution and reaction-based gaming, as well as the ability to bait. But if you’re going to base it on whether I can beat these people, then yes, I can beat the majority of kaillera…and yes, kaillera has become pathetic, but I know the best players.
Edit: It’s very easy to talk shit without knowledge. I can do it too, watch: “Serpent is just a trash-talking scrub who always wants to start arguments in various threads, for attention. He also complains even more than I do, about lag and delay affecting his reaction game (although he probably doesn’t even have a reaction-based game in the first place). Exactly how many random supers do you do Serpent, on wakeup?”
So, would you getting raped by walchuk and telling Orange that he’s ‘okay, not great’ and you won a lot of matches outdated too? Or is that considered a recent enough development? I would rather hear from Orange instead of taking your word for something. Last I talked to the guy, he didn’t even like KOF and greatly preferred A3.
Do you really know the best players? I played pretty much exclusively with walchuk, and I know he doesn’t play people on kaillera usually aside from me. I also occasionally played ioriyk. One of those two guys is probably the best player on kaillera. Or maybe it’s KBron…but he doesn’t like you either. Who the heck is left? Korye won’t talk to anyone, but I hear he occasionally plays. Do you beat him?
*“You haven’t seen me play. And the last person that said the same thing you said (nothingxs), got beat bad…but I never said shit about it.” *
By the way…This is ioriyk. I have played you a little while ago, and sometime before. I do admit you have improved a lot. but you still sucked, you couldnt’ even beat me when I havne’t played for about 3 months straight. I also heard that you said I abuse lag tactics to someguy I randomly played on one of the days I played. Get a grip dumb fuck.
“You are out of date on events. Yes, Orangemegaslide made assumptions. And those assumptions changed when he fought me. He was surprised by the fact that I did not play like he believed I played, from what I had said in the thread. From then on, he had asked me for matches repeatedly, because the majority of kaillera was pathetic. He knows how I play. I’ve had some of the best matches I’ve had, with orange, because we are both reaction players that try to understand what the other is trying to do.”
You even out with Orange? WOOOOW!!! he doesn’t even play the fucking game. I’d be insulted if I evened out with him. He is a good player, but not as good as you claim him to be.
“Who are these decent people you speak of? Elmers? Ask him, we have had alot of close games, and I can beat a reasonable amount of times (although his repeated jumping seems like a lag tactic online). But even with that, I don’t rate goodness on how many times I can beat somoene online, because you can get away with online tactics that wouldn’t work offline. I rate people’s goodness with how close their fighting resembles high level gameplay - both in execution and reaction-based gaming, as well as the ability to bait. But if you’re going to base it on whether I can beat these people, then yes, I can beat the majority of kaillera…and yes, kaillera has become pathetic, but I know the best players.”
Elmers??? I got like 10 - 0 on him last time I played him. Elmers sorry, I’m just trying to make a point. what? jumping repeatedly is a lag tactic? what the fuck you talking about? You are the one that doens’t know what you are talking about. You gotta move a lot in kof to throw the opponents off, you said something like baiting enemies? how else are you going to “bait”? kaillera is pathetic because of people like you. I even told you you could challenge me and I even host games when you are there on kaillera all the fucking time, but you never join, probably because you only play people you have chance with…and tell your noobie friends how close you were to beating this player that doens’t even play.
"It’s very easy to talk shit without knowledge. I can do it too, watch: “Serpent is just a trash-talking scrub who always wants to start arguments in various threads, for attention. He also complains even more than I do, about lag and delay affecting his reaction game (although he probably doesn’t even have a reaction-based game in the first place). Exactly how many random supers do you do Serpent, on wakeup?”
You are right, its very easy to talk shit without knowledge, you know yourself very well. You have my aim, prove me wrong anytime. You are the most reatarded individual I’ve ever met on kaillera. If you deleted my aim sn, ykkof84 is my sn. Again, prove me wrong ANY TIME.
I got beat by Walchuk, but not raped. And yes, he’s a great player. As for Orange, I never said he’s ok but not great…in fact, I think Walchuk has the best fighting style I’ve ever encountered online, because he is purely a reaction player…
There were actually two instances I fought Walchuk. The first time we DID even out, the second time he beat me kind of bad. But even when we evened out, I already knew he was better - better execution and better reaction speed. As for his traps, I knew them all, because my source for learning is offline competition.
Yes I know all the best players there, of course. I haven’t fought K’Bron recently, he never comes on. Neither does Walchuk. As for Korye, yes he beat me but I can beat him about 35% of the time or so, roughly. As for other good players, there is YASHIRO-KAILLERA but he’s on a keyboard now, so he seems degraded at the moment. Pepe maniak(kofman) is also a great player that I’ve fought recently, although he keeps changing his name and you’ll only notice it’s him until you fight him. sars/mina/A3 is another. There is also another new guy who recently started playing kaillera who seems to owning the server…his name is Scorpion (not the one from Chaos-team, a different Scorpion).
So what is your definition of “beating someone”. How many percent of the matches must I win to qualify as “beating someone”? Also, Korye has been playing for 11 years, kof, while I’ve only played for 1.5 years. He wins the greater majority, but he shouldn’t be losing 35% of them, assuming you rate goodness on the wins only.
DIdn’t beat you, by what definition? Getting more wins than you did, or just winning a match? I won 3 or 4 out of 15 of those matches…which isn’t exactly that good so to speak, but was I supposed to get more wins than you because you haven’t played for 3 months straight? I’ve played the game for onlly a very small fraction of how long you’ve played it. When you were one of the top players on kaillera, I hadn’t even BEGUN playing fighting games at all, nevermind kof. And even if I lost 80% of the matches, why ignore the ones that were extremely close, at round 5? THis is why I don’t consider just the wins, the important factor in deciding who is good and who isn’t. What if every single one of those 10 matches were round 5 and you had beat that person with a sliver of health. If you had told some random person that you beat someone 10-0, they will immediately think the other guy was out of your league…until you mention the fact that any one of those matches were incredibly close and up for grabs.
Edit: You told me “NEVER let a noob beat you, ever”. Assuming you claim I’m some sort of noob, you shouldn’t have ever lost to me, or had THAT many close games against me. And imagine if these matches were offline, where I would be able to anti-air you on reaction, since you jump around so much. Online is so incredibly misleading. Trying to dp on reaction and getting hit, gives the opponent the impression that I do not know how to block properly, when I had actually been inputting the input for the anti-air way before your jumpin connected.
I don’t remember saying you abuse lag tactics…I wouldn’t know what those lag tactics would be, besides just jumping alot, although you jumped far less than most others.
He DIDN"T play the game, I was the one that had temporarily gotten him back into it. But now he has left (to the army supposedly). I think if Slide just focused on comboing harder, he’d be really good, since he is already excellent at baiting and mind-games.
Well as I said, assuming the matches were very close, just saying “10-0” isn’t enough to say that elmers is not good.
Easy. They jump. I see it and hit block before I see the animation of the jump attack connect with my character. I’m still hit…what can I say? And I’ve already told you that, and it’s obvious to understand since we’re ONLINE, and yet you do not even take that excuse seriously. Also, it is the same thing that Serpent was complaining about in other threads. He claimed his reaction game was destroyed online because he cannot react to many things due to the delay (and thus playls mame 0.61, although I’m not sure how much that could possibly improve things). He said that if anyone had a ping greater than 35, he is handicapped due to the delay. And you know what? I believe that. I think restricting the ping to be under 35 is a bit hardcore, but nonetheless, delay can make a big difference in the outcome of a match, especially when the other starts spamming high/low games that you can’t block even if you were able to react to it in time.
Um, just because I’m in the server doesn’t mean I’m looking at the screen. I keep my computer on constantly, and mame is open even when I’m doing assignments or watching anime or whatever else. So don’t expect me to just join your game whenever you’re there and you see my name on the player list.
Edit: Jumping is the only way to bait?
Umm, I didn’t delete your AIM sn, you just never came on. I haven’t seen you on AIM every since way before the last time I had fought you. And as I said, Serpent doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about because he’s never played me…and watching some inputs I uploaded here from a year ago doesn’t count either, because they were obviously severely outdated.
The argument in this thread doesn’t even make sense. I was the one that never claimed to be that good, I said it was those noobs who blindly said so without having enough knowledge of the game to make the claim.
YK, you do a poor job of even bothering to understand what I’m saying, seeing as how you’re totally misinterpretting everything. I’ll summarize by saying this: I never claimed to be that good, but the majority of kaillera does. The majority of these players ARE noobs, but the ones I fight on most occasion are the top players on the server that I can usually even out against. Serpent, there is no reason to use reference from many months ago, to make any claim. Orangemegaslide made that mistake, so did nothingxs, and possibly others. And as for winning, it does not decide who is better and who isn’t, especially online, because as I said, a 10-0 means nothing if all the matches were incredibly close. Hence, saying you beat elmers 10-0, doesn’t mean he’s a bad player, or that you’re even better than him (although in this case, you probably are). YK, I heard YASHIRO-KAILLERA used to beat you back in the day…as “badly” as you beat me. Does that mean he’s way better, or you’re a noob (Yashiro calls all people he beats, novices). Obviously, it doesn’t.
Only in Emil world is losing to someone 10-0 “being close”. Also only in Emil world is “I beat him a lot” translated into “I realized he was better than me” and further revised to “We evened out, and then he beat me pretty bad the other time.” What you fail to realize is I was shown these conversations where you were busy making a fool out of yourself. There is a reason someone keeps winning close games against you. They’re better than you. Especially after 10 matches, 10 losses in a row is a pretty good indication that you’re being outclassed. Only a scrub thinks he’s getting somewhere because “it was close” and “I didn’t get beat that bad.” I remember the scrub mentality on kaillera: “Z got close to beating X, and Y lost more to X, so Z must be better than Y.” A loss is a loss, and 99% of the time Y beats Z pretty badly.
Beating someone is when you win at least 60-40 or probably even more. 50-50 is called breaking even. Anything less, and you’re basically just being beat. If you’re beating him 3 out of 15 times, why don’t you just come clean and admit you got your ass kicked, and got a few fluke wins here and there? You sound like a total loser, constantly making excuses. The time that people have been playing means nothing, because certain people put more effort into the game, and others play casually. 1.5 years is more than enough to learn a game. If you can’t win in that time span or people that don’t even play, you’re never going to be good.
Most of those names you listed aren’t good, or definitely weren’t when I played. I sort of doubt they’ve really improved that much. You don’t even seem to know who zickie and solsovly are. For the newer games, you didn’t mention kofiend. I never really played kofiend, but I’m sure he’s solid. I guess when you lower your standards, good can be anything huh? You posted how people called you a KOF GOD and how in offline Japan you’d be upper intermediate or lower tier advanced. That’s funny, I’d rank you as a scrub in Japan. Walchuk and Ioriyk and most of the “good” players on SRK consider themselves scrubs/very weak compared to the best offline players, and here you are, someone that can’t even beat these kaillera players, talking about how you’re very good offline. At my best on kaillera, I was only a mediocre KOF player at CTF. And that’s CTF, not Japan. Walchuk is great at 2k2 at CTF, but he loses a hell of a lot at 98 and wouldn’t consider himself at the top of the Japanese player chart by any means. But then there’s you, low-tier advanced, upper intermediate. No, it’s more like lower-beginner. But hey, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt, exactly what do your terms mean? Give me a percentage of people that you can “beat” in offline Japanese play. And you can even clarify that, beating 1/10, beating more than that, whatever.
Well, there is an obvious difference between OCVing someone 10 straight, and winning by a very small margin, 10 straight times. Either of the matches could have been won by a simple punch or chip damage, thus either match was up for grabs. You could not conclude player X is strictly better than player Y, under those circumstances…especially not online. But according to your definition, I must really be one of the top players on kaillera if I can get 10-0 on 95% of the players on there.
Edit: I never said I lost 10 straight to anyone.
I never made any excuses to begin with, Mr. “I can’t play with anyone above 35 ping because the delay ruins my reaction-game”. And why are they fluke wins now? Isn’t a loss, a loss?
Well as I said, I beat 95% of kaillera, the remaining people clearly have 3+ times more experience than I do. Using your logic, ioriYK just should never be losing to me.
Pepe maniak is the top player around nowadays. IoriYK knows it himself, he was the one who taught him, and pepe maniak supposedly surpassed him. Mina has always been a decent player. And as for Yashiro, it’s funny you say he wasn’t good, considering he was the BEST player back then…I had heard only Zickie could beat Yashiro, but they have never played each other. As for the other guy I mentioned, Scorpion…you wouldn’t know him so you can’t say. He’s new to Kaillera but is supposedly an experienced arcade player.
I’m not going to mention people that don’t play. And yes I know them. Sosolvy quit a long time ago…and Zickie well, I heard alot of weird shit about him from JJ, who supposedly knew him in real life…and kofiend only plays using mame 0.61, on Excellent, with specific people (Walchuk, Slide). You can stop making assumptions now…
Edit: You can add Denimaru to your list of people, I suppose…although he doesn’t quite rank up to zickie and solsovly. And Denimaru has been busy with school supposedly, and doesn’t ever come to play.
But…you’ve never seen me play. What’s the point of talking shit without knowledge?
The Kaillera players I can’t beat are players that play offline, for the most part. I never said I was very good offline…
You don’t even understand what I meant. I never claimed to beat anyone in Japan. It is simply that I adopt the way they play, and am trying to improve on that even more. I never claimed I was as good as the Japanese players, or that I beat any of them offline. And once again, making claims about me being a beginner when you haven’t even seen me play, does not make it look pretty when trying to make a point.
EDIT: Damn, I wish I could find that thread…but I recall Serpent complaining somewhere about how, on kaillera, the good player would rarely win, because their reaction game fails to random-gameplay. YOu used this excuse yourself, with the argument about 35 ping and whatever else. Have you ever read over what you say, to notice why almost everything contradicts?
A loss is a loss is a loss. 10 losses in a row are still losses. If you think you’re better than someone else in comparison, then play that other person and beat them. You are your record. If you win close games, it’s because you put yourself in that position and then had the ability to win in the pressure situation. It’s not a lucky win when it happens 10 times in a row.
I don’t use ping as an excuse. I never play with high ping and in laggy conditions unless I’m forced to–like in those stupid tournies that I hate anyway. Otherwise, I play only very few people that I know are extremely good, and I know we have a somewhat playable game. Even then, offline it’s completely different, and I GREATLY prefer playing offline.
You basically admit you don’t play offline. Your basing your whole level on copying tourney vids? This is why we argued with you, it’s easy to emulate top players when you’re playing scrubs. Hell, I can look better than top players against other top players when I play a scrub, because the level of competition for the top players is so much higher. When you’re saying you are a certain level compared to offline Japanese players, you’re claiming you can beat them, because that’s the only reference to being better than anyone–wins.
Those players aren’t nearly as good as you think. Yashiro was never the best, but he is a very nice guy and was a good friend. He initially taught me a bit when I first started. He dissappeared for a bit and the next time I played him I raped him horribly in 98, and I think we evened out in 2k2. He certainly lost to Zickie and Solsovly, and he most probably lost to Heidern98 as well. Mina was never very good at all, I think i’ve only lost 1 out of every 10 to him…and that’s after I didn’t really play much anymore. If you’re going to post about being good, and playing the good players on kaillera, you have to talk about the people that play even if they won’t play you. Hell, you refuse to play ioriyk, so why are you talking shit now?
I gave you a chance to explain yourself because what you meant sounds so retarded. Don’t blame me for your stupidity.
You keep refering to “my logic” yet, I never said or applied those things. In fact, I’ve said the very opposite. You’re the one that continuously contradicts yourself, lies about what you and others say. Like I said, I will take ioriyk’s words over yours.
I don’t have to watch you play to have an opinion. I can use the opinions of people I know are good and trust. I even backed it up by mentioning a few players and what has been said, and you danced away from it. For a person that likes passing judgment on other players so much, why the fuck do you think you’re exempt from that?