The kara mechanic is different in different games. I think you have 5 frames to kara cancel normals in ST.
ST kara cancel timing isn’t constant; it depends on the move being canceled from. At certain speeds, Ryu’s kick normals have more kara leniency than his punch normals for inexplicable reasons. But yes, the kara windows for most normal moves are around 5 frames.
However, special normals have unique kara cancel properties. In this case, Fei Long’s f+HK only offers a 1-frame kara window, much shorter than the normal 5-frame window.
Wondering about some option selects vs Vega in the corner.
When he flips of course he’s able to dodge a whole bunch of things.
SO I’m wondering about whiffed-normal buffers for it or something.
one option would be to simply do a safe standing poke and buffer in hp rekka and go into hp mp lp rekka as a string, which iputs fei at a disadvantage but gives him time to block.
Something I thought up a bit here would be forward hp, and then buffer in some version of his chicken wing. IF in range he’d throw (and off of a throw break maybe he could get some kind of setup like his psuedo meaty st hk st hpxx rekka x3 on sim), just out of range for throw he’d do a fierce, having the option to go into whatever else.
something useful would be a buffer off of the stand c. fierce uppercut that would cover vega’s wakeup options. any ideas?
No offense but none of what you said makes any sense. I’m not a Fei or Vega player, but I think I can offer some suggestions, or at the very least I can say something comprehensible.
If Fei wants to pressure Vega while he’s in the corner, he has to worry about Vega’s Scarlet Terror (Flipkick). Fei can beat the Scarlet Terror by jumping on a knocked down Vega very late and very deep into the corner so that he’s touching the wall. This will make the Scarlet Terror whiff or get stuffed by Fei’s jumping Forward, the same as Guile’s Somersault in the corner will whiff against Fei’s deep jump in.
Other than that, the next best option is meaty crouch Short which will make the Scarlet Terror whiff from max range. And then from there Fei can mixup into throw / bait / Flame Kick / Chicken Wing. Using the Rekkas is not very smart cuz Vega’s crouch Strong is very fast and makes any Rekka unsafe from close range, except maybe a meaty Rekka. IDK for sure though.
Of course Vega’s Backflip will avoid everything, but it’s also easily punishable. This is all very basic stuff, and I’m sure some good Fei or Vega players will comment and offer some advanced pressure tactics.
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How does one deal with ryus tatsuing all over the place to get out situations. I know that rekkas seem to beat hurricanes before it touches fei but what if I’m already blocking a HK hurrican?
I was playing this dude yesterday and it really felt as if, if he timed it where I would least expect it he could just HK hurrican and even if I blocked, there was not a sure way to punish it after it’s done.
sometimes hitting HP or throwing at the end of the sequence would work, sometimes it wouldn’t. Sometimes I’d flame kick between the blocked hurricans and it would work sometimes, other times it just wouldn’t, some times it felt like ryu was at an advantegeous distance/situation after the move. It felt to me like fei did not have a sure/consistent way to punish a blocked hk/mk hurricane either after or during the move. It’s as if the outcome was random enough for the ryu player to keep doing it since the payoff outweighed the consequences.
I watched a few fei vids but I can’t seem to find ryus using it the way it was used on me, this tells me that this ryu tactic is not a very good tactic and that it’s a gimmick that will be abused if someone( like me ) does not yet know how to deal with it.
So briefly is there a sure way to deal with it? should I just feel it out? block standing and punish? crouch and punish after the move is done? etc. I got no idea
Crouch wait for it to cross over the screen and fierce rekka combo. It will land if you time it right you can hit him with all 3 or just knock him out of the tatsu. So basically just duck if you block it just duck it should still go over or just block the barrage and wait till you can get in.
Thanks alot. I Never actually tried that.
The easiest way, that works for all characters, is to block, duck, and counter hit. This times it perfectly so that you’ll stand up and counterhit when Ryu’s “attacking leg” goes behind him. So for example, you block high, block the first, duck, and then counter with a st.fierce or flame kick.
Cigargirl’s method is optimal for the highest damage punish, but requires more stringent timing and spacing on your part.
No problem! If anyone here has questions that I’m able to answer I’ll be glad to help. Ill start paying more attention to the thread.
You want the highest damage output possible when you’re feilong, As every match but gief and maybe chunli will be a pain in your ass.
But yeah sure you could do that, It works too.
Oh, I agree. Landing the high damage possible is optimal in any given punish situation. But if people haven’t gotten down that timing or combo yet, it would be best to stick to something simple that they can easily do right now, until they feel comfortable with their rekka control.
This seems strange. You can’t combo anything after a ground tatsu unless the Ryu player messes up. He can always land and block. IMHO, just crouch under the first or second leg swing, then flame kick his ass - or use a fast normal if you feel this is hard.
Uhm, using a rekka combo on a HK Hurricane that goes over has been a punish since god knows when. Even in that A-Cho video it shows a feilong doing it to o.ken. Sad part is you posted the video to not notice him using a cr.f on it at one point. I can always show it on ggpo
The question was about Ryu, and Ryu can always block after a ground tatsu.
Just knock him out of the air with a fierce rekka after he passes over.
I thought ryu didn’t have landing frames after tatsu, does that mean instant recovery or just immunity to lows?
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I think immunity to lows. You can hit him high or mid, but if you try to sweep him low, it usually results in him blocking or hitting you with the uppercut.
That, or I’m just REALLY bad at punishing tatsu with low attacks.
Its only a few frames, id say throw or srk move. Short tatsu in your face is a mixup basically
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No coth_x I know for a fact it will knock him out of the air before he gets a chance to land. You duck and press HP Rekka when he crosses over.
CG is right, for hte most part. The best way to deal with Ryu’s RH Tatsu is just to crouch it and FP Rekka right after it passes over your head. You can then walk up and be able to pressure them.
There is another technique that I use where you block the tatsu standing then crouch the 2nd to last hit then stand up and hit them out of the air. I use this to mix up into my backwards st.mk 50/50. I wont go into more detail because i haven’t played in a while and my mind is a bit foggy on it.
I"m fiarly sure you cant land the full 3xRekka on Ryu because he doesn’t have much/if any landing recovery.
Ryu can be hit by a sweep after a Tatsu. Technically he has zero recovery frames when he lands, so you can’t hit him low after he lands, however he can be “swept” out of the air by sweeps with big hitboxes, like Zangief’s sweep and Chun Li’s sweep, resetting him instead of knocking him down. Same with Ken.