For RJ45 boards... why Ethernet MALES?


#1

I have had enough ethernet cables break at the latch level, rendering them useless, that I’m afraid to switch systems.

Luckily, I can think of a solution, find double female RJ45 gender benders and connect to the RJ45 board with a double male. I would need one female for each RJ45 adapter I have to prevent wearing out the latch pin. But a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I just need to replace the male to male cable when THAT breaks, instead of either completely replacing a RJ45 (@FreedomGundam jumps on me when I use the wrong word, so I’ll use this word:) Dongle for one system, or hiring someone to reattach a new RJ45 head. New R45s are cheap and depend on length.

Especially if the guy I didn’t get along with was the only source of them.

The F-F connectors are 1-2 bucks on Ebay if I’m willing to wait a month to ship. And I need one cable for $3.

But seriously, why males? A male on a proprietary cable is too hard to replace.


#2

Only replying because you tagged me. Please don’t tag me like this for nonsensical reasons.

Also, you’re technically STILL using the wrong word.
A “dongle” is a short adapter, whether wired or wireless. An iPhone Lighting-to-headphone adapter is a dongle. A wireless USB Bluetooth adapter for a laptop is a dongle.
What you’re talking about is an RJ45 CABLE. Unless you have a specific setup, you’re not using this to bridge your stick to another cable that goes to your console, so it’s not a “dongle”.

Are you just ignoring what you’re being told and trying to be creative?..

And because I want my post to at least be helpful:

  1. Be gentle with your RJ45 plugs and they’ll last you A VERY long time. I’ve been using some since 2010 with no issues of breaking.
  2. Don’t use bare RJ45 plugs; use an RJ45 boot to cover up the tab.
  3. RJ45 is stupidly easy and cheap to crimp. I got a crimper, 100 RJ45 plugs and 100 RJ45 boots for less than $15.

#3

I’m sorry but this isn’t the first time this guy goes around talking nonsense. I have a strong feeling he is mentally ill and doesn’t know any better. Also, this isn’t the first time he’s been told to slow it down. I’m sure he thinks he’s creative and wants to re-invent the wheel but he just isn’t capable of thinking rationally and applying common sense to simple stuff or anything here so far.

Is there anything that can be done?


#4

@electricgrave that makes 2 (possibly more) of us that wish I weren’t here. :slight_smile:

Literally the only reason why I’m here is because ever since the Beeshu Gizmo for Genesis, NO ONE has made an off-the-shelf right-handed fight stick.

I’ve got burnt big time 3 times searching for a right handed stick, even though the guy who burnt me when Street Fighter IV was new is offering to help me correct it, many years later. If it turns out successful, I’ll give him a glowing review and attribute the previous burn to a lack of communication. Either him not understanding my needs or me not accurately conveying them, most likely a combo of both.

If it weren’t for that, I’d be relatively quiet on the board. I trying to design twice, build once. I’ll make sure this joystick will last, and will work with as many games a digital joystick is supposed to work with.

Yes Fight Sticks are not just for fighting games, but very few people on SRK think that. I agree that a fight game is probably the MAIN reason why you buy a fight stick, but what most people don’t think is that maybe it works on other types of games too. It’s just that fight sticks in fight games have the most pronounced legal performance enhancement.

I never has a problem with a traditional phone cord. The problem always came when unplugging the ethernet cords, especially with these boots. Unlike a traditional internet ethernet cable, that’s designed to plug in once, and they stay there until you upgrade your equipment, the RJ45 connectors are designed to be swapped in and out when you change systems.

I’m not complaining about the system, I just thought using males was not built to last, and luckily I found a way around it, use double female connectors and connect a single easier-to-replace male to male cable.

And I’ve been in the right handed joystick market since the days of the Genesis/SNES. I doubt many players considered buying a custom fight stick in 1993. Most people just accepted the pad. Some people bought an off-the-shelf fight stick, but the scene wasn’t a competitive, and was arcade focused. I was considered crazy for buying a custom fight stick in 1993, but it worked. visit 56ok.org/Ambidextrous to read a story of who I beat back in the day. But i will say he got better since then and bought his own fight stick, so he learned his lesson.


#5

I should have known better…some people just love to hear themselves talk.


#6

I should have known better…some people just love to hear themselves talk.

If I just want to “just hear myself talk” I’d just type to myself. The reason why I’m on a forum is I want some back and forth.

It’s just I got lots to say. Most of my posts are not a simple question or answer. There is a lot of set-up.


#7

BS, just try to focus. I’m solely indulging you 'cause I see you for a second, pass all that ceaseless discharge (DS!!!) of crap, right bwteen the lines I see you, and it’s that person who I’d like to refer this to.

Make the effort of being understood instead of expecting people to make the effort of understanding this disparate behavior you’re displaying. Clean the output, not everyone wants to read a wall of text, specially not one built so poorly and with so little substance.

Same can be said about your researching and lack of knowledge. The internet is a powerful tool, you don’t necessarily need to waste time formulating questions filled with mounds of useless information, look for answers instead. I assure you it’s more than likely that you’ll find folk with similar situations whom left a journal for you to learn.

Again, this isn’t the first time you’ve been told to back off, shouldn’t that raise some flags? Stop burning bridges, make an effort to be a positive part of this community, it really isn’t that hard.

Final advice so you don’t feel empty handed; Should have researched more before looking into building your own hardware or design and or pay someone to make it. I’m not offering.


#8

or alternatively don’t use a RJ45 connector at all and use one of the many plethora of 8(or more) pin electrical connectors that cam be found on the market. RJ45 was used by many as its cheap, supposedly easy to use and easy to find. You can use DB9, Din connectors, aviation connectors, molex, ect.


#9

If standard RJ45 connectors are too fragile for you, then maybe use something like an 8-pin M12 connector. You can even get solderless ones that just require a tiny screwdriver to install.

Alternatively, there are ruggedized RJ45 bayonet connectors that make the clip irrelevant. Conec makes some excellent industrial quality ones that you will never break.

Personally, I’m fine with plain RJ45 because, as others have already pointed out, they’re simple and cheap to install. Just stick with the one-piece type. The ones that have a separate wire guide are a PITA.


#10

Then It’s settled, plug RJ45 double female adapters in the RJ45 based PCB and each of the various system attachments. And then connect an Ethermet male-to-male, so that if an ethernet male breaks, it’s as simple as buying a new etherent male-to-male, and not worry about hiring someoen to solder the device (remember again, the most I ever did DIY was install Intellivision DB9s and clean dirty potentiometers for Atari 2600 and Bally Astrocade paddles.)

If the price is to be believed, RJ45 double females are 10 units for $2.00 including shipping from China, you just got to wait for it for about a month.

I got the time. What I don’t got is money and more technical electronic skills. That’s probably the cheapest and longest lasting solution for me.


#11

That would be using the original N64 controllers and not trying to build a stick.


#12

That would be using the original N64 controllers and not trying to build a stick.

I think you’re mixing your forums. This is the RJ45 “Why Males?” forum, not the RJ45 N64 forum.


#13

Ether way stop trying to reinvent the wheel, you making everything way more complicated than necessary


#14

I know one’s mileage may vary, but phone cords I can plug in and plug out and change and not have a problem. But ethernet cords with their boots makes sure it stays in well, but if you have to swap it out and in, one, or at least I, risk the damaging the clip pin far worse than no boot. I’ve had many ethernet cables break when I take them in and out. I never had a phone cord with no boot break. The easiest solution if one has that problem is cap the RJ45 Brook Board cables to a double female. Then connect a double male between the double female and the Brook. Make sure you have one Double Female for each cable you use, or else you defeat the purpose of double females: avoiding wear on your RJ45 pins on the adapters.

And I know some people are trying to be clever by saying solder on a 20 pin. The whole point of the RJ45 is no fuss no muss, but if they keep breaking, you have to take them in to a guy who knows how to repair them. An ounce of prevention ($2 for 10 double females) is worth a ton of cure ($10 for analysis, and an hourly labor charge, plus parts)

This is advice for people who DON’T know how to make rj45 cables, like myself. I just know I have to replace a lot of ethernet cords, and it’s easier and cheaper for me to replace a cord than to have one fixed.


#15

The proper advice that should be given is to learn how to crimp your own RJ45 plugs, especially if you keep breaking them.
Google/YouTube and $10-15 worth of tools and supplies.


#16

Notice I said, and FreedomGundam quick-quoted it, the advice is for people who don’t know how to crimp RJ45 cables.

I agree, learning how is an alternative, but you make sound like I’m crazy for finding a 2 dollar per 10 item solution. If Rj45s are supposed to be no fuss no muss, I’m making it even more so. These double females prevent possible RJ45 Male breakdowns, which if not fixed make you have a very specific cables that have to be repaired. I just think installing 10 Double Females is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than fixing an Ethernet male.


#17

Do whatever works for you, but seriously, in the amount of time you’ve spent posting on this topic, you probably could have learned how to crimp RJ-45 for yourself.


#18

The assumption on this site is that everyone here is a DIY-er. Except for video games, I’m a pretty klutzy guy with my hands. I’m the kind of guy that makes the simplest task seem impossible.

How much of a klutz am I?

I never played grade school sports except in the back yard with my neighbor, who always humiliated me athletically, and his best sport was basketball and he was a bench warmer/three point specialist in his senior year of High School. And he beat me in literally everything athletic we tried.

I literally was very inathletic. The only athletic club I tried, because of my years watching in the stands a local indoor soccer team, the Cleveland Crunch, though I could be a high school mascot. I just have to be loud and energetic. Our school didn’t have a dressed mascot so I came in a make-shift mascot costume during cheerleader tryouts. Of course I was the only guy there. I said I would be a male cheerleader except I know their main purpose is to give the ladies some altitude in their stunts. But since most of their biggest stunts was a synchonized high kicks, plus I was too weak to throw a woman high enough to give her air time, not to mention the landing would be an issue too, I decided to be a mascot. And I remember saying one thing to engender me well with item. I said the only way I’d try out is if me being a mascot wont take away a job from one of the ladies. If there is like an 8 person/6 girl limit or if a mascot is separate for the purposes of roster counts, because, knowing my luck, the one cheerleader who wants to date me would be the bubble girl, meaning I took her spot if I wasn’t there, and you’d know how she’d feel.

There weren’t too many activites for someone like me. If there was a high school video game team, I would have been trying for that. If there was a high school poker team, I would have been on that. The only thing I could have done was talk with the local cable comapny and found, organize, and host a miniature golf tournament on local cable tv. I had to make it enough about me to show off me, but enough about the other people to make friends and play off each other. As a whole we were the most watched show on our local cable channel, and never since then has there been a hit that big. It could have won Ohio Cable Ace award except instead of working with the local cable company, I had my dad film it, who had made independent seasonal specials, which also should have won Ohio Cable Aces, but the local cable company determines which stuff they submit for awards. I (not to leave out my dad and all the contestants and cohosts out) don’t need the Local Ace. I got the local number one popularity show. I’m the people’s champ. Unfortunately, the rules prevent making profit off the televisation of the show, or else I could have made some money. but we started with no prizes and went to bigger prizes for the contestants.

Why I’m on Shoryuken in the first place

When there are way too many buttons, I often got the wrong button blues, unless the layout makes instinctive sense, like punches high, kicks low, and quick attacks toward the center of your body, heavy attacks on the end. Playing Batman Arkham City, I’ve been hitting too many wrong buttons to make sense of it.

Add to the fact that a left handed stick just felt awkward. I was so used to those 80s arcade and Colecovision games where I can play right handed, that when the NES had the advantage come out, I tired it, and told them not to get it because of 2 reasons, 1) slow mo and rapid fire didn’t hep me n the game they demonstrated, (then again, they demonstrated Super Mario Bros which is not a good game to show if you’re trying to sell NES Advantages) and 2) it was left handed. Now pads are symmetrical, I could place the controller on the floor and operate it by typing with my left and right index and middle fingers, but the joystick movement in the left hand was unnatural. I got it for Christmas anyway. If they would have gotten a Beeshu, I would have been happy. but that wasn’t Nintendo authorized.

And then when I was older I purchased an ambidextrous SNES/Genesis joystick. If you want to read how much better I became at Street Fighter, visit 56ok.org/Ambidextrous/index.htm. I went from being last to first in our group. I had the brain for Street Fighter 2, I knew when someone jumps at you with you as Ryu or Ken was to dragon punch, unfortunately I misfired so many times on a pad. And you’ll be amazed even more when you know who one of my friends were.

So I’m not the typical SRK user. I’m not handy with a soldering gun. I know most are. So when I design my joystick, I try to make my joystick design as independent from repairs and sturdy as possible so if something breaks, I don’t have to hire help to fix it. Why? Bad experience with KY Enterprises in 1993. Hence why I complain about Ethernet Males having to be replaced. I know most people don’t have this issue, but credit my brains for coming up with a solution that doesn’t involve custom labor, and only costs $2 / 10 units, if I wait a month. I don’t believe half these solutions I was offered:

Ridiculous Solutions give the situation

The proper advice that should be given is to learn how to crimp your own RJ45 plugs, especially if you keep breaking them.
Google/YouTube and $10-15 worth of tools and supplies.

That would be using the original N64 controllers and not trying to build a stick.

If standard RJ45 connectors are too fragile for you, then maybe use something like an 8-pin M12 connector. You can even get solderless ones that just require a tiny screwdriver to install.

Alternatively, there are ruggedized RJ45 bayonet connectors that make the clip irrelevant. Conec makes some excellent industrial quality ones that you will never break.

Personally, I’m fine with plain RJ45 because, as others have already pointed out, they’re simple and cheap to install. Just stick with the one-piece type. The ones that have a separate wire guide are a PITA.

and I think Electircgrave’s posts are too insulting to repost. I mean no hate. I’ve had problems like this on Atari age where one wiseacre calls for me to get thrown off. I told the mod I was getting thrown off for no reason, and I don’t know what they did to him, but I was on moderated posts. I think so far every one of my posts have been mod approved. It may be a few-hour to a day wait time but it eventually comes. Besides mods prefer starting new threads over resurrecting old ones. It’s a pre-emptive sensoring I never failed so far.

Think of me as the Mikey of DIY solutions, just like if Mikey likes it, it’s got to be good, if it’s a DIY project I can do without messing it up, then it must be really simple.

What I can do well in terms of DIY

The ones that are at my skill level are a way to clean 90% of potentiometer problems in Atari 2600 and Bally Astrocade paddles, (I’ve bought non-working ones and turned them around and sold them on ebay.)

I also installed INTV 1 Flashback adapters, and if 7800fan of Atariage.com fulfills his promise, I can do it again to accommodate his SG->INTV adapter and JAAG->INTV adapter, by redoing it with with INTV1->INTV 2 adapters and INTV 2-> INTV FB adapters.

I think I can install a Blinking Light Win on my front loading NES, but I got bigger fish to fry like my joystick.

And clever me found a way to cannibalize 2 Atari 5200 trackballs that were working only along one axis each and turn it into a single two axis trackball and a trackball minus the working parts, which a working one is out of stock at best-electronics-ca.com. If I recognize the part, I can make a wholely working trackball and make ebay profits.

So when someone thinks of a solution that doesn’t involve heavy labor, you just ridicule him. If I didn’t know this was mainly a DIY site, I’d think this advice might be cutting into a few of you guys’ profits. :wink: What’s easier: to replace a male to male ethernet cable, which you can find anywhere for cheap, or to rebuild an RJ45 head on something specialized that is not user-separable?

Finally notice the length. If you want to breeze through the important parts, click nothing. if you’re curious, enjoy the details.