Help with training regime?


#1

Hey guys! Hope everyone is doing ok.

So I’m a huge fighting(gaming in general)enthusiast. Got the arcade stick for fighting games and even bought the guide for SFV. I currently sit at around 1200 ranked.

Every day I play a few mins on practice then a few matches on ranked but I just don’t get better, I will learn something new every day but actually applying it online is almost impossible.

Then comes match ups, yeah…how do you guys train for this? I lost to a Ken because I kept trying to punish a safe move.

Basically I’m asking, how do I “git gud” how do I leave this plateau, I’m by no means bad but how do I break through?


#2

Best try the Newbie Saikyo Dojo:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/categories/newbie-saikyo-dojo


#3

You may consider doing a lesson with one of the Cross Counter guys. Google Cross Counter lessons. I recommend Floe. It’s $50 but they can really get you on a path toward getting better. Since I took a lesson with Floe I’ve definitely leveled up from where I was before. You have to play A LOT too. Like one match after the other. If you get salty go take a walk, get some fresh air, and come back again. Good luck!


#4

Most of the time, when you feel stuck, it is because your ability to perceive the game is ahead of your ability to play the game, so you see all kinds of stuff you know you should be doing but aren’t. There’s not much you can about this but keep working and know it happens to everybody (and keep things simple, overthinking kills you).
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1706528&d=1360078640

For learning a matchup, it helps to play a long set against the same player. Feeling out a new opponent gets in the way of learning the matchup; once you’ve played somebody ten times in a row matchup knowledge starts to become more of a factor. Also a good time to go into training mode and find/practice ways to beat difficult things that character can do.


#5

There’s no instant gratification in fighting games.
Keep practicing, keep playing online, keep playing with your friends.

Essentially just keep playing and you will get better.
Your brain will find ways to deal with the speed of the game and the accuracy of your inputs.

Just don’t keep practicing bad stuff and keep critical of the game and your ability to play it.


#6

whatre you struggling with? break it up, there are MANY things that go into playing well


#7

With things like learning a match up, the training mode in this game is a great way to learn when you should be pressing buttons and when you shouldn’t be.

After you see a Ken for example do something that hits you online or you’re not sure whether something is punishable or not, just go into training, record the move and find out if you can punish it or not. Then work out the best punish.

There are plenty of youtube videos which give good explanations on how to use training mode well and there are also good match up/training mode videos made by @jmcrofts

Located here: SF5 Tutorials for Beginner-Intermediate Players

There are many more on his actual youtube channel


#8

Is the Training Regime oppressing you?


#9

On a serious note, don’t pay top players for private lessons. That’s fucking stupid.

You will get better every time you play with friends or online. As far as training, take your character to training mode, learn the character’s distances per normal and properties for each command normal, throw, special move, and EX special move. You should have it ingrained in your memory what move you’ll need for every situation.

I tend to train against certain characters AFTER I master the feel and movements of the character I’m playing.


#10

Right now execution seems to be my weak spot, trying to learn B.MK xx TA with Nash and its ugh…not happening.


#11

The problem is, you’re looking for direct results and instant gratification from the game like other games but that isn’t the case with fighting games. Think about it like a sport… you train and train and sometimes its not good but EVENTUALLY if you work hard enough you understand aspects of the sport better and overall you get better (usually without you noticing the full transition).
Play as much as possible with the idea of learning vs winning. Then practice the good habits that you want to improve in training mode.


#12

Since I started this topic I have been getting better, sitting at 1500, regularly beat silvers and above to due the magic of matchmaking. B.MK combos are the last part of my Nash puzzle I can’t seem to get, I hate going into a match with a character and not being able to use his full move set.


#13

New to SRK and SF series in general. Looking for new-intermediate people to train with. I love fighting games, and have a lot a general FG knowledge, but need much work oh my SF game. Looked for a more appropriate spot to post this, but found nothing with any recent activity. Please direct me to a better spot to post if there is.

Add fight-ID: deadhead


#14

How so? If you have the option to sit down with a F3 alucarD or EG JWong they will be able to steer you in the correct direction. Even top level musicians take lessons from people who are better than them. Any time spent playing with a master is going to do better than playing a less talented person. There is a reason F3 alucarD is much better in New York than he was in Detroit. He pays every week to play against better people.


#15

I think that at the point of “I really suck and want to improve”, taking lessons is nearly useless because anything you’d understand at your current level, you don’t need them to teach you, you can and should figure it out on your own through self-analysis and research. there tends to be a general trend in the development of a player - the more you learn, and the better you get at evaluating your own play, the more you improve. the more you improve, the more likely good players are to interact with you, and the more background you’ll have to actually absorb what they’re talking about.

it’s an interesting comparison, music lessons to FGs. I majored in music and my clarinet professor once told me “my job isn’t to teach you to play clarinet. it’s to teach you how to teach yourself to play.” improving in any area is a combination of self-analysis, setting goals for yourself, and putting the time in to improve. in FGs this is much easier - you find someone who can beat you, you play him ft5, you watch that footage and think about every bad decision, every missed opportunity, come up with a gameplan to eliminate that from your gameplay, then come back, play the same guy, and see if you do better. the better you get, the more detail-oriented you’ll have to become because FG matches often rely on very small differences in decision making. the stronger you get, the more the little details matter.

I imagine taking lessons anywhere in your first couple years is at best of limited value, and at worst actually damaging to your growth. if you play someone, and he points out why you suck, you have completely skipped out on the self-analysis part of the equation. the next time around, you don’t have that skillset. you find yourself stuck in a rut because you never figured out how to learn, you only figured out how to work on the exact few things your teacher mentioned last time around.

my advice for improvement is a short list:
-always pay attention during your matches. never make a decision without having a reason why you think it’s a good idea
-watch your replays, and actually dig into them in depth. every time you make a mistake, evaluate - why did I do that? what should I have done instead? how can I minimize my risk and maximize my likelihood to be correct in this situation next time?
-think about your relationship with your opponent. what are your goals, and what are his? where should you stand and how should you attack to maximize your goals and frustrate his? what are the movement patterns that often happen in this match, and how do you navigate them correctly?
-any time you are stuck in a particular match, watch a professional play it. you’re not watching to copy and paste, or for entertainment, you’re watching to figure out why they do what they do, and whether you should emulate it.
-find other people who play your character and are thoughtful, and talk with them. talk about matchups, talk about decision making, resource management, everything.

this way of thinking is a great path to improvement, if that’s what your goal is.


#16

i’d stear clear of getting fg lessons until you plateu as a player…as in play the game for a long ass time and get everything down easy.


#17

So if I want to play guitar it’s “fucking stupid” to pay an experienced guitar player to teach me WHAT I need to be practicing and the best way to practice it? I should just mindlessly keep strumming at the strings until I “figure it out”. People like you who say these things are morons and should never be listened to. Floe taught me a Birdie combo that I don’t even see top Birdie players using and that works EVERY time to open up my opponent. Not only that but he made me understand WHY it works all the time. When I started my lesson with Floe I had been maining Necalli. He explained to me why it would be better for a person at my experience level to start with Birdie. I learned more about SF in that hour with Floe than in the 2 months I’d been playing the game on my own. Sure, if you’re broke, or don’t take it that serious, don’t spend the $50. But if $50 is a problem for you to get a leg up on a game you want to get better at, you probably shouldn’t be in the hobby anyway.


#18

it seems that Floe has found a great market of people who will pay him $50 to teach them very basic things they could’ve found for free in 30 seconds with a google search

can’t hate on the hustle I guess


#19

To be fair, you don’t even need to get guitar lessons to be able to play guitar. YouTube and Google are a thing. I’ve been playing guitar for 2 years just off of the internet and I’d say I’m at the level I want to be at. This is kind of the same thing, it’s just like paying $50 so you don’t have to search for the information is all.


#20

If you honestly know now you want to get to the top levels of gaming, it is better to pay someone who will teach you the correct way while you learn. If you go the self taught way not only are you learning bad habits you will have to unlearm, but the advice you get off the internet is for the most point posted by people who think they know more than they actully do.