HFSA Rolento


#1

Disclaimer: As with all things you read on message boards (or on GameFAQs) about fighting games, you should not take what I write as truth without examining it for yourself. I am, in fact, quite awful at fighting games. I am impatient, I watch my own character instead of my opponent, and I get easily frustrated. I have, however, lots of free time (at least until recently) to read all kinds of stuff and pick up bits of knowledge. Hopefully some of it can help others out.

Contents:

General Rolento
Adapting from CvS2
A2
A3 X-ism
A3 A-ism
A3 V-ism
HSFA Green S-ism
HSFA Blue S-ism
New System Matchups

General Rolento:

Rolento first shows up in A2, but makes appearances in A3 and CvS2. He remains fairly similar in all of these iterations. You must become familiar with some basics about Rolento before you can be effective. He is an excellent character to learn because he will force you to improve your overall games.

Rolento requires a more solid foundation in the basics than probably any other character. He lacks easy, abusable moves. Instead, he will force you to use movement and his specialized normal attacks carefully to win. It is nearly impossible to play Rolento and have success without a good understanding of controlling space (footsies), advantage/disadvantage (related to frame data), hitboxes vs. hitable boxes and invincibility (priority), and the tendencies of your opponents. As much as any other character, you will be forced to learn these things if you want to have any success with him.

Rolento does not have many of the standard attacks other characters have. Rolento’s special moves, with the exception of patriot circle, are not straight away attacks. He does not have a DP, he does not have a fireball, and he does not have a low risk forward-moving special. He has no close anti-air/anti-crossup to speak of, and he has limited options when up close. As a result, you must play him in a very specific way depending on the conditions.

Rolento can and must run-away, control midrange, and pressure up close at different times. Despite his limitations, Rolento is very capable and is competitive in all of his incarnations. You will have a chance to win in any situation, provided that you can properly adapt to it.

I trust you can find a movelist for A2/A3 somewhere, so I won’t go over that. General match strategy goes something like this:

When you don’t have meter, run away and build meter. Meter gives you the ability to deal with your opponents up close when you aren’t at an advantage. This is in the form of Alpha Counters and the invincibility in attacking with CCs, VCs, and Supers. Without it your footsies game up close is very weak, and you are at a disadvantage. Get out of there with your special moves. MD Escape, an empty MD Air Raid, an empty MD attack, or a high jump/scouter jump are all ways to put space between you and your opponent. Keep your distance, get in attacks where you can, whiff moves if you have to, but build that bar up.

If you’ve got meter, stand your ground and try to gain advantage. On the ground, you can control your opponent’s space with c.hp and c.mk, or knock down with c.hk. You do have anti-air options with s.mp and s.hk, or better, j.lp. If your opponent gets in close, you can make careful use of your meter to take control. If the situation gets too disadvantageous, run away and reset.

If you’ve got advantage, force decisions on your opponent to create mistakes. This is where you will score the majority of damage. With walk-up lp pressure and the occasional HK Stinger, you can mix up additional attacks that leave you at advantage along with throws to land CCs, Vcs, and your B&B combo: counter hit lp (hit confirm)->c.mk->HP Patriot Circle.

Adapting from CvS2
If you’re already familiar with Rolento in CvS2 and are just looking to adapt, the basics stay the same but there are some subtle differences:

[LIST][]Scouter jump is no longer KK. It is a standard high jump motion (df/db->ub/uf).[]Your alpha counter(s) is different. It is either the end of patriot circle (P/Standard), or you jump behind them(K).[]Steel Rain is still useless.[]In most isms, jumping d+mk with cause you to pogo hop, whether you like it or not.[]No more ludicrous throw range. Cry.[]c.mk link to tripwire isn’t there, losing a verifiable way to land super (cam347)
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Alpha 2 Rolento

Key Differences:
[LIST][]Patriot Circle is different from all future games. The second spin does not move you forward, so the B&B from future games is not present in A2.[]Jumping d+mk does not cause pogo hop[]Alpha counters are the final spin of patriot circle §, and an evasive jump forward (K)[]HUGE damage CCs[]s.mk animation is the same as s.hk[]More normal->normal links. s.lp (no counter hit)->c.mk, et al (Best Kind Boxer)[*]hitting with the end of c.hk will not cause knockdown
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Good use of MD Escape, crossup trickery, and High Jump CCs are the name of the game. You do not have the counter hit lp->c.mk->patriot circle in A2, so you must find other ways to get to c.mk safely. Deep air attacks and crossups work well in that regard.

Rolento has good damage CCs in A2 as a result of his special High Jump. Normal ground damage in CCs is cut down to prevent 100% damage combos from just mashing on HK, and also the average character cannot jump during a CC. However, Rolento’s high jump allows him to get airborne very quickly, and exploit the fact that air attacks are not affected by the same rules as ground attacks. So, a combo as simple as Activate->c.hk->[high jump -> lkx3] xN will do massive damage.

Alpha 2 Gold Rolento
Has few differences from A2. They nerfed the damage on his high jump CCs, making him much weaker. BKB tells us about the pogo hop attacks being in A2G, but that needs to be explored more.

Alpha 3 X-ism
Key Differences:
[LIST][]No normal jump forward/backward. Replaced with scouter jump.[]d+mk doesn’t cause pogo hop[]Only super is tripwire…not much of a loss though[]No alpha counter, though the P one isn’t too hot anyways[]More damage. Yay![]Unlike much of the rest of the cast, actually a viable Ism option
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Rolento loses alpha counter , 2 crappy supers, and air blocking, but gains increases in damage and doesn’t pogo hop on d+mk. End result is a Rolento with more damage and far greater air control. Classically regarded as the best Ism for Rolento. Rolento is pretty fast to start with, but the d+mk will give you some control on that speed. The combination of this with the scouter jump can take you from 3/4 screen away to crossing someone up in half a second, but still able to land and be in control.

I’m not a fan of X-ism, so I know I am missing stuff here. Hopefully someone else can help fill it out.

Alpha 3 A-ism
Key Differences:
[LIST][]Has the mediocre Patriot Circle AC[]d+mk causes pogo hop, during which you can do nothing[*]Mostly unremarkable
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Minesweeper and Steel Rain are mostly useless, leaving tripwire and alpha counters to use the meter. Air d+mk is dangerous because of the forced hop, leaving you to dig deeper for crossup tricks. Doesn’t have much over X-ism but lacks the damage of X-ism. A-ism Rolento is usually passed over in favor of the X or V-ism variants.

Alpha 3 V-ism
Key Differences:
[LIST][]d+mk still causes hop, but you can attack on your way down from the hop[]VCs, although not impressive in damage, do provide corner unblockable and a reversal threat up close[]Crouch Cancel semi-infinite in j.mp, although very difficult[]Alpha counter is a hop behind your opponent
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The abilities available to Rolento in V-ism allow him to have a more rounded, complete game than the other 2 A3 isms, even if that doesn’t necessarily translate directly to more damage. The combination of the d.mk with the attack during the landing does create some mixup opportunites that aren’t available elsewhere, but you will leave yourself in an undesireable position if your opponent sees it coming.

HSFA Green S-ISM
Key Differences:
[LIST][]Based on A-ism, lame pogo hop included[]multiple aerial attacks per jump, but no plausible jump infinites on tall people as far as I can tell[]Because your alpha counters are now free, you get out of the corner for free[]push block is good too[*]More guard bar than A-ism (I think?)
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Defensively, this ism makes any character a beast. Rolento gets excellent benefits to his runaway. At midrange, the ability to cancel the c.hp to whiff c.hk helps with positioning, although I’m not sure how dangerous it is in reality (for sure, it isn’t mathematically safe). The peculiar hitboxes on his air moves will force any new air-to-ground chains to start with j.mp or j.mk, probably going to j.hk. I still feel like I’m missing the air control of d+mk though.

HSFA Blue S-ISM
Key Differences:
[LIST][]Based on the X-ism set, including no hop and no normal jumps forward/backward[]Parry to handle crossups, possibly better than it appears[*]can cancel super from specials, but tripwire won’t connect while opponent in hitstun
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The benefits/drawbacks of Rolento in a parry groove were played out over CvS2, and the ultimate verdict came back on the side of alpha counters. That being said, the low angle scouter jump may make a difference. I don’t know how well parries handle unblockables and things of that nature.

New System Matchups

[LIST][]A/A2: Lack of guard bar takes away the guard crush threat. You’ll have to watch out for unblockables and longer chain combos.[]HSFA Green S-ISM The defensive tools puts the up close game in jeopardy. Runaway still works, but you have to question your damage potential.[*]HSFA Blue S-ISM: Nearly everything Rolento has can be parried down. Standard jumpins are even more dangerous given Rolentos normally slow and exagerrated jumps. I’ve yet to test the ability for different timings on the guard crush chain to avoid parries. Might still have that, at least.
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#2

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#3

I don’t know of a way to make it work and still be worth it. For sure, you wouldn’t start with c.hk from there…the pushback on it makes it a total waste.

But Rolento has a decent whiff punisher with c.hp from that range. Combination of that with Stinger can help you get in closer where it would work, I think.

I’m not really familiar with A2, so what I just said could be total crap.


#4

Do you plan to write a FAQ about this? If so, this is very good work. :tup:


#5

Rolento has no abusable moves? What do you call his s.LP in any A3-ISM? :stuck_out_tongue:

Then again, I guess it’s only really abusable against characters who have guard meters. It’s still a good lockdown tool in general though.


#6

U forgot to mention CVS2 Rolento had cr. MK, Take No Prisoners.
Giving Rolento no real way to verify a super in the Alpha series. However in A3 u can juggle an opponent after Take No Prisoners.

One thing I learned with Rolento u can do (though not entirely useful) in the corner, throw a knife on wake-up, link cr. MK, Patriot Circle


#7

Maybe I’m retarded, but I SWORE that A2G rolento could cancel into CC off low forward. I can’t do it in HSFA?

Another difference between A2 and A2G is that A2-Rol can only do pogo bounce at the end of an empty jump by doing down+KKK, I don’t think he can attack during the bounce either. Whereas A2G-Rol only has to do down+mk in the air and he gets the bounce… he can attack during the bounce too.

Another difference is that A2 and A2G-Rolentos can link their normals together. Multiple standing jabs, multiple ducking jabs, standing jab to low forward, standing strong to jab, etc. A3-Rolento can’t do ANY of this.


#8

Good stuff guys. I’ll put it in the main post.

Its hard to call something abuseable which requires you to be standing in “get pwned” range, is a light attack, and requires SOME skill to link to damage. I don’t think its on par with some of the “jiggle joystick around, mash occasionally, link to super” normals in SF.

coughCHUNcough


#9

The standing jabs for pre-A3 Rolentos also do one point of freakin’ stun… ONE. You would need to land 50 jabs to dizzy zangief. lol

EDIT: s.jab, c.jab into circles is a combo for pre-A3 Rolentos. But the main thing about pre-A3 Rolento, is that your low forward is a useless combo starter from afar. In A3, a low forward means you get patriot circles. In A2/A2G, you might get the first hits, but whiff with the rest. They also don’t have the close (cancellable) s.fierce.

Don’t forget about (optional s.jab) x c.short x c.forward into circles for Green-Rolento. This is huge IMO. You can hit-confirm this, and go into c.fierce for guard damage if they block. If you’re really buff you can go into fierce anyhow and kara-s.roundhouse into circles if it hits. Really good against A3 characters.


#10

Seerd:

Against ayone with a guard bar, Rolento’s s.LP chews up guard bar like crazy. The guard damage it did was far more threatening than the life damage it inflicted. His standard modus operandi (at least in A3) whenever close was to hammer jab and look to land c.HP, which also did huge chunks of guard damage. A couple s.LPs and a c.HP would usually mean 50-70% guard damage. Opponents would do stupid risky stuff in order not to get hit by c.HP, which usually left them open to more s.LPs. It was well worth being in melee range for.

Plus, it has very good range for a LP attack, very fast start up and recovery, and has high priority, meaning he could do several LPs in a row without fear of retaliation. And again, with s.LP you’re looking for guard crushes, not combos. Definitely an abusable normal.


#11

c.mp was abusable as hell in a2. too bad this move never restored to its former glory in the later incaranations.


#12

No. The standard modus operandi is to use the s.lp in the counterhit/throw set up in A3. This is a light attack we’re talking about. It’s not going to break anyone’s guard very quickly. And a blocked c.hp pushes you out of range and ruins the trap. You’re looking for combo/throw.

And misuse of the term “priority” is reserved for the CvS2 forums. The fact that it is safe, fast, and good range is why it has good “priority”. There isn’t mystery priority values assigned to moves.


#13

I’m sure he already knows.

A3 Rolento may not have the same links as A2/A2G Rolento, but he has Counter Hits, which are a big deal. Also, IIRC, some of the A3 versions of his moves are better…far standing Fierce is the first one that jumps to mind. Standing Strong, standing Roundhouse, close standing Forward (the knee), close standing Fierce, and IIRC standing Jab (?) can all be used as anti-air by A3 Rolento. Not to mention jumping Jab, which now can cause a counter hit and let him crouch cancel afterwards.

Light attacks do indeed do good damage to the guard bar. If you play Vega-ish and mixup pokes, you can get people to do stupid things, as A3 characters have guard bars, so it forces their hand. It’s not like they want to AC instead. Throw/poke/nothing mixup is good, but considering throws have more startup and less range than in A2, it’s fair to say that poking is a bigger aspect of A3 Rolento’s game than throws…especially considering a broken guard gives him a free shot to land the super, if he wants it.

Green/DS-ISM Rolento is looking mean…infinite ACs which don’t subtract from the Guard meter (retarded, especially for Rolento…they don’t do much damage, but they’re as useful as in A2 for stopping stuff, espcially the V-ISM/kick AC for getting out of the corner and vs fireballs), pushblock, plus chains into Patriot Circle.


#14

i’m sorry but a3 rolento’s standing strong is garbage compared to cvs2 and a2 rolentos. infact, his medium button is not worth pressing most of the time in a3. (j.mp sucks, it has almost no hitbox)

a3 rolento is easily his worst incarnation, although he still has the tools to win.

excluding X-rolento, not being able to do his pogo dive without bouncing or after a wall jump hurts him quite a lot.

also not having a solid VC and having his supers raped to hell is also another big drawback.


#15

I agree, DS-ism Rolento is pretty hot. Main problem I think is just lack of decent damage, but chains into trip/patriot circles are nice. And infinite ACs are sweet as well, get out of the corner for free.


#16

A2 Rolento can link CC, sweep, jab, low mk, etc, after meaty s.strong. Hard, maybe impractical, but works.

He can also link CC after s.jab. Same deal… probably too difficult to be usefull?

A3 Rolento’s meaty s.strong seems shitty.

But A3 rolento is tight because of his different patriot circle IMO. He can fish for counterhit, and actually land a combo when not point blank. And like other have said, he has wider variety or normals, and crouch cancel stuff (Rolento is awesome in the air so this is big).

Green-Rolento is golden, especially against characters with guard meter. It has the biggest (and easiest) guard crush potential. He’s not a meter hog, except for alpha counter… but they’re FREE in Green-ism. …and you got the lvl3 on standby when you get an openning. So, I dunno why you’d pick A-Rolento instead of Green-Rolento.


#17

Is the info gonna be continued? I’d like to learn more…


#18

fug I’m feelin lazy right now.

I’m pretty much done with the thread. Gotta move on to another character to avoid getting burned out entirely.

EDIT: Has anyone found anything special in Marvel-ism Rolento?


#19

This is a really useful thread Seerd :clap: It was just what I was looking for: it gave a detailed account of the different incarnations of a character over the Alpha series, as well as useful insights about playing the character.

so… what do you know about Akuma? :rofl:

Keep up the good work