Did he ever finish this?? Where is it??
I usually just go up and Oicho Throw people when they are dizzy (unless I dizzied him WITH the Oicho Throw… then you can’t throw them when they get up). You can probably do a better Combo (I use Jump Fierce, Crouch SHORT, into Headbutt), but the Oicho Throw does good damage and sets the enemy up for some fun mind games afterwards, especially in the corner.
He has lots of options after a fierce grab, it sets up for just about everything Honda got. If you do fierce throw in the corner you can walk under your opponent and do c. rh and it will hit your opponent from behind. It’s nice because it really doesn’t look that the move will do that.
That’s what I usually do too. I only combo into headbutt if I want to end up at a distance from the opponent, which is obviously matchup-dependent.
You can walk under after a fierce grab against most characters mid-screen too, although the crouching roundhouse trick doesn’t work there.
Oh, so you can’t oicho them if they’re being dizzied BY an ochio? Didn’t know that, but it explains some thing i belive, haha.
One more question, does Honda have any tools against Chuns lightning legs?
^ if you dizzy with a throw, the dizzied opponent is immune to throws.
Only for Ochio or standard throws as well, even for other chars? What about other command grabs?
ALL throws. Regular or command throws, all characters. Probably a programming oversight.
ST advice: Honda vs Shotos and Chun
Trying to see what I should be doing in those matchups, versus what I do.
Vs Chun I try to guess the fireball and jump in with forward, if I knock her down go for oichios. I try to jump strong/fierce the neutral jump short.
Vs shotos I play more passively, I do look to jump the fireballs, or butt squash them, use more headbutts when they jump, which good ones rarely do (no reason to jump on Honda with Shotos.
These are the only matchups I really have trouble with- everything else I feel my Honda can handle. Just curious what you guys would suggest. Trying to get Honda to the level where I can fight bad matchups and win.
its hard, watch some vids
Try zoning the shotos so that if they fireball you trade with forward hk sweep. It’s fast and long, scores a knockdown. After that you can play your wakeup games.
Check the Honda thread. There is some good stuff in there.
Did check that thread- some good stuff in there, but not everything I wanted.
Looking for stuff like which is better vs Chun’s vertical jump fwd- strong or fierce? I know the positioning is the important thing.
The other projectile matchups I don’t have trouble with.
Let me check the YBH for hit box stuff. I’ll be able to give you an answer. I’ll get back to you!
Chun vs Honda is a really difficult fight for Honda. It’s tough for him to deal with something as simple as jab FB followed by low roundhouse. He also has a really tough time with her jump back forward kick, and once she has her super charged, his options are even more limited.
Getting around Chun’s fireballs is really your biggest hurdle. If you can manage to accomplish that, the match isn’t so hard.
Hundred Hand Slap is really good against Chun, 'cause she doesn’t have anything solid to beat it consistently. So say you j.Forward over a fireball, hit or blocked, you’re guaranteed some free chip damage with hands unless she has super.
She also has a tough time with the butt slam in the corner. If she doesn’t predict it, the only thing she can really do is Short upkicks, but that’s kinda hard to time.
Also, just his regular punches (st.Jab and st.Strong especially) are great pokes. If you’re in close, but not close enough for an Ochio, you can do a st.Jab or st.Strong and keep mashing on punch to get free block damage. Charge down while you’re doing this, so that if she throws a fireball, you can butt slam.
That’s my random advice for now.
i have been playin honda for about a year now and against chun best thing i saw is just jumpin hard punch if she throws a fireball its prol the safest thing u can do
As I asked earlier in this thread…
Lol, that was me who was writing that ST Honda guide - it actually got about 95% finished, the only section I never completed was the character specific options after both types of grab because there is hella amount of stuff to cover.
I have no idea when it will get released as I don’t have my own PC hooked up atm, I might allow r3ko to release the ghetto version of the guide (which has a lot done except match-up coverage iirc) if people are interested in seeing it but it probably sucks and has a few errors compared to the version I have done now.
Just to clear it up, the minimum button presses for the HHS is 4 on ST.
Not really, you can use HP Headbutt which will sometimes trade hits with her, but the chances of that happening are really small and is pretty much a desperation technique. You can use jump HK and aim for her head which is a clean hit everytime, but I suspect whoever is using Chun against you isn’t using lightning legs when you can actually do that.
Yeah, Chun sucks for Honda… :xeye:
Could you release it anyways? Maybe as a beta? Then add stuff later? I’m certain there are Honda players like myself who would be very grateful to you if you did.