Okay, no longer delaying this. Putting it up now!
Hayabusa FAQ Version 1.1
Compiled and ordered by GeorgeC
NOTE: The information in this text is up-to-date as of April 30, 2014…
Revisions by the original author and others may follow as new information and corrections flow in.
Hayabusa Part Introduction - mid-2012/June 2012; debuted as exclusive Hori OEM part on Hori Fighting Edge joystick marketed for Sony Playstation 3 and Microsoft XBox 360.
First reviewed in online blogs/websites in late April/early May 2012 by joystick enthusiasts who received pre-production or early production Fighting Edge joysticks from Hori.
More detailed analysis of the Hayabusa itself would wait until late January 2014 when Hori finally did a separate release of the Hayabusa.
Early analyses by Fighting Edge owners indicated a joystick with “Seimitsu-like” performance but without specifics on WHICH Seimitsu joystick the Hayabusa most closely resembled and what specific characteristics the Hayabusa displayed.
The Hayabusa is a digital joystick/control lever with 8-eight directional function. The stock Hayabusa joystick is equipped with non-levered microswitches, a single JLF-spec cloned spring, and a square restrictor gate that is integrated/molded into the baseplate of the assembled joystick stack.
Fully Assembled Hayabusa Joystick Stack
Height is close to 4 inches; roughly equivalent to the LS-32-01 stack in height and very close to the JLF-TP-8YT-SK
The bulk of the Hayabusa base makes it closer to the LS-32-01 in appearance
Without the balltop handle screwed on, the JLF/LS-32/Hayabusa joysticks are closer to 3 inches height.
JLF and Hayabusa shafts have identical faceplate clearances and shaft heights above the pivot bearings.
The LS-32/LS-40 shafts have noteably shorter shaft heights above their pivot bearings. Their faceplate clearance shortages are made up mostly through the use of the Seimitsu SS Mounting Plate that shifts their assembled joystick shafts further upward and against the underside of the faceplate of the joystick case. Since the LS-32/LS-40 have maximum contact with the faceplate underside in that situation, this prevents or impedes useage of a secondary dustwasher on top of the LS-joystick pivots (below the faceplate).
Pictured left to right: Hori Hayabusa, Sanwa JLF, Seimitsu LS-32-01
Hayabusa Mounting Plate
Hayabusa Mounting Plate has noticeably wider width than the JLF P-1 Mounting Plate but with identical hole positions for screwing on the Mounting Plate and faceplate installations; HMP is interchangeable with JLF P-1 MP but it is recommended to use original Hori Mounting Plate screws with the Hayabusa base with JLF P-1 installations as the screw pitches (distance between threading) of the MP screws are completely different; Hayabusa base uses screws with wider pitch than the JLF base’s to install the HMP. It is highly recommended to reuse the Hayabusa MP screws in situations where it may be more desirable to use the JLF P-1MP itself with the Hayabusa base.
The Hayabusa base is incompatible with Seimitsu mounting plates…
It would be recommended to use the JLF P-1 Mounting Plate in situations where the width of the Hayabusa Mounting Plate might impact interior plastics or create situations where further internal joystick case mods might otherwise be necessary.
The HMP in general has proven to be compatible with most mass-production joystick cases on market. Situations in specific joystick cases (Agetec/Sega Dreamcast Joystick, PDP/Qanba Injustic joystick) cases do exist where an alternate Mounting Plate (JLF P-1MP) or no mounting plate might be preferrable, though.
Pictured: Hayabusa MP by Sanwa JLF P-1. Note greater thickness of Hayabusa MP which may necessitate replacement of stock Hori Hayabusa MP and use of Sanwa JLF P-1 in some joystick cases…
Pictured: Overlay of Hayabusa Mounting Plate over Sanwa JLF P-1 MP. Holes lines up exactly!
35mm Japanese arcade part spec; most similar to the Sanwa balltop spec but with thicker metal screw insert in the balltop plastic;
flat area on bottom of Hayabusa balltop handle similar to Sanwa balltop handle. More metal area as opposed to more flat plastic on
Pictured: Red Sanwa balltop handle, black Hayabusa balltop handle
9mm length screw-in area; 6mm diameter screw thread
Balltop handle adds roughly 1-inch height to Hayabusa stack (fully asssembled joystick); actual height addition just over 1-inch or close to 26mm
For all intents and purposes, the Hayabusa shaft and shaft parts are clones to the JLF shaft; the Hayabusa shaft is incompatible with the Seimitsu LS-32 shaft as the LS-32 shaft is thicker and parts between these two are incompatible;
Pictured left to right: Hori Hayabusa, Sanwa JLF, and Seimitsu LS-32 shaft assemblies
other LS-joystick shafts are thinner than the JLF and Hayabusa; like the LS-32, their parts are incompatible with the JLF and Hayabusa with notable exceptions => RE: Seimitsu shaftcover mod to fit shaftcover onto JLF and Hayabusa; the inner hole of the Seimitsu dustwasher (LS-40/-55/-56/-58 style or LS-32) needs to be widened to allow useage with the Hayabusa and JLF (covered) shafts.
It is the opinion of several Hayabusa owners that the plastics used in the Hayabusa shaft assembly are higher-quality and more durable than both Seimitsu and Sanwa parts.
Noteable changes from the JLF: black-painted shaft, black-painted E-ring, dark grey pivot bearing with indentations; JLF pivot bearing is solid white plastic with no indentations; E-ring retainer is different on the Hayabusa shaft
Actuator, spring holder, spring, metal base washer all appear to be JLF-spec clones… plastics where used, again, may be higher quality
Pictured: Hayabusa and JLF shaft assembly pieces
Hayabusa Shaft Cover and Dustwashers
The Hayabusa shaft cover is so far available only in molded black plastic. The shaftcover is JLF-spec and appears indistinguishable from the Sanwa-manufactured part.
The Hayabusa shaft cover is cross-compatible with the JLF. All aftermarket JLF shaft covers are compatible with the Hayabusa shaft… these include aftermarket shaftcover choices from Sanwa, Mad Catz, Qanba, and the custom-made aluminum JLF shaft covers available through arcade parts vendors.
The Hayabusa dustwasher is produced to JLF-spec with respect to both shaft hole width and overall width. The differences from the Sanwa JLF (shaftcover hole) dustwasher included shorter dustwasher height and an upper dustwasher texture that is sand-like as opposed to the mosaic/“broken tile” texture of the JLF dustwasher. Again, all aftermarket alternate JLF dustwashers are also compatible with the Hayabusa shaft. These include dustwashers from Sanwa, Mad Catz, Qanba, arcade parts vendors, Art Hong/Tek Innovations plexi dustwashers, and the aluminum dustwashers generally available with aluminum shaftcover kits.
Pictured: Hori Hayabusa shaft cover and dustwasher on left half of picture; Sanwa JLF counterparts on right
The Hayabusa base uses JLF-spec clone shaft parts with JLF-spec attachment points for the Hayabusa Mounting Plate. The Hayabusa base may also be mounted onto “non-universal” HRAP faceplates (HRAP 1b, “HRAP-lite” licensed variants for the PS2, “vanilla” HRAP 3) without the HMP. The Hayabusa base has screw-on attachment points in common areas to the JLF base’s screw-in “wing” positions.
Note that the difference in mounting height without the HMP attached is roughly 1.25mm
Pictured: “Wing attachment” points in common between the Hori Hayabusa base and the Sanwa JLF; joystick bases are shown ‘naked’ without the usual mounting plates screwed on; JLF wing attachments are shown circled in blue lining up with common wing attachment points in red on the Hayabusa base
The assembled Hayabusa base appearance, bulk, and general base construction is more like the LS-32-01 than the JLF.
Pictured above: Hayabusa base versus Seimitsu LS-32-01
Pictured above: Hayabusa base versus Sanwa JLF
The OEM Hayabusa microswitches appear to be non-levered versions of the Matsushita/Panasonic microswitches used in the Seimitsu LS-56 series joystick. Unlike the LS-32-01 and JLF substrates, the Hayabusa microswitches are NOT soldered into a PCB board. Instead, the Hayabusa microswitches have soldered wiring connections that lead into a common 5-prong adapter on a very small PCB wafer situated on the outside of the Hayabusa. The Hayabusa 5-prong adapter is in a position similar to the 5-prong interfaces on the LS-32-01 and JLF.
It appears that only two of the H-stick microswitches share a common ground wire.
Pictured above, left to right: Bases of the Hayabusa, Sanwa JLF, and Seimitsu LS-32-01 with baseplates and restrictor gates removed. The visible microtabs of the Hayabusa base microswitches have been highlighted in yellow…
Levered microswitches of the LS-56 variety can be used in the Hayabusa with a minor Dremel modification to H-base and no soldering required. This can be accomplished by simply removing the internal parts of the existing microswitches and swapping with the levered parts of the replacments. The original casings of the stock H-base microswitches are reused by prying them open with a small screwdriver and snapping back together after internal part replacement…
Alternately, replacement LS-56 variety microswitches with levers can be mounted replacing the original Hayabusa microswitches
completely. However, more extensive base modding is required since 0.187 prong tabs can impact the existing Hayabusa base; switch
wiring may not have enough clearance with the 0.187 quick disconnects used with this modification… in addition to making room for the LS-56 microswitch levered tabs, holes would have to be cut in the H-base to allow the 0.187 tabs clearance. In this case, the 5-prong adapter can be discarded and replaced with a converter harness as used with other 0.187-tabbed joysticks (such as the Crown CWJ-303FK and LS-32/non-PCB version). This is a more involved modification but bypasses the issue of desoldering the original microswitches and having to solder new microswitches should the original microswitches fail.
Swapping out of entire microswitch assemblies is generally easier in the long run than desoldering OEM parts or replacing small
lever parts in the original microswitch casings.
Hayabusa Restrictor Gate
The restrictor gate on the Hayabusa is integrated into the baseplate of the Hayabusa stack. The assembly itself is held together by four base screws running through the baseplate similar to the LS-32-01 and the Hori OEM joystick on the American Tekken 5 10th Anniversary joystick.
It is not practical to top the main restrictor gate with an subguide gate as is the case with the LS-32(-01) and LS-40(-01). No screw-in points exist to place a subguide on top of the H-base and the actuator sits too low for a modifying subguide to be useful.
The entire Hayabusa baseplate should be removed and replaced with a new restrictor gate part or baseplate for restricted movement (2-way/4-way) or octo restrictor guides if desired.
A simple mod has proven that it is possible to integrate a JLF octo-gate onto the Hayabusa; again, the stock Hayabusa
baseplate must be removed… there are common points on the JLF restrictor gate assembly that can be drilled out for screw-on
installation of the JLF square- or octo-gate… This mod approach was first used to integrate JLF’s (without the JP-1MP) onto the Hori mounting bracket on the American Tekken 5 10th Anniversary joysticks.
Pictured: Bases of Hayabusa, JLF, and LS-32-01 with square restrictor gates clearly visible.
H-stick = assembled Hayabusa joystick stack complete with the Hayabusa Mounting Plate
H-base = Hayabuse base; generally referring to the plastic sections of the Hayabusa joystick and specifically the areas which
contain the microswitches and baseplate with integrated restrictor gate.
HMP = Hori Mounting Plate specifically designed for the Hayabusa but with anchor and screw-in points in common with
the JLF P-1 Mounting Plate
JLF P1-MP / JP-1MP = JLF P-1 Mounting Plate; the alternate, most compatible MP for the Hayabusa
Thanks to for Moonchilde, Darksakul, and Sethian0 for their observations and practical Hayabusa mod guides.
If I forgot to acknowledge anyone else’s input, please tell me and I will put your name in on future FAQ revisions!
I have 22 photos taken of the Hayabusa, JLF, and LS-32-01 assembled and disassembled… I will incorporate these into the FAQ over the next few days…
Another post will follow this FAQ with my initial impressions on this joystick.