How long did it take you to "get it"?

It took a month to become a player on the scale of a 6/10, 7/10 in 2 months, and forgetting the rest, I feel as if I am a 9/10 on a scale of skill.

Cause I said so.

You word of gurantee is not as good as Stone Cold Steve Austin’s though…

I actually disagree with 80% of whats been said. I’ve been thru this myself in other games, and nothing listed above wil lget you ‘past’ that point. Essentially your like someone who’s gotten serious about body building, and after 7 months of intense physical training…you ‘plateau’, you no longer notice any real gains, and sometimes even notice declines in some aspects as your body has grown accustom to the routines. The solution in body building is the same solution for you. You ‘shock’ your system…you surprise it essentailly by NOT doing what you’ve been doing and going down a compeltely different path. Once the plateau has been passed, then you can rotate back into your routine, but periodically you need a ‘shock’ to your system.

some questions to ask yourself:

  1. do you fight the same group of people? If so you learn to read them and they learn to read you, so matches become semi-scripted, the mind-aspect of the game dwindles as you merely counter what that person ahs done to you for the past couple of months. Make sure to ‘randomly’ play against people you don’t know who play characters that aren’t ‘the norm’. Not only does this ‘wake’ you up to certain mind game elements, but you often find stuff in other character’s games that you can interject into your own character’s game.

  2. Do you main one character? Two? Pick up someone completely different…if your a shoto, pick someone with no FB or DP. And … MAIN them. It opens up an entirely new play field, forces you to look at match-ups differently, and akin to #1, you learn tricks that you can integrate

  3. Do you mainly play people in person (if so you lucky bastard)? If so, start playing online. You’ll be introduced to lag tactics and some of the more slower matches force you to look harder at each and every move. Or if you play online, try playing more in person to make sure your game isn’t based on lag tactics…yeah people really ‘walk’ into fireballs :rofl:

There are dozens of things you can change up, but start there, you’ve plateaued and only by changing the routine somewhat drastically will you continue to grow…like pruning the branches on a tree.

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im also having real difficulty with this version of sf.

i find the button combinations need for combos etc… to be a lot more complex than in any other sf.
this old dog isnt picking up those new tricks.

I have had this game since release. I got gradually better as time progressed. There has been one factor leading from gradual progression to some legit leveling up in my skill…

I turned to my regional community!!!

So I met up with some of the top top locals players (not necessarily in SF4, but they do play) and even after ONE NIGHT at his house playing against his bastardly Sagat I noticed more improvement than I have gotten in a full month of playing. His tips were invaluable. Plus, being able to play in a lagless environment against a good player for an extended period of time was just fantastic.

The only advice I can give is to play some really skilled players offline.

Its all about sparring partners… I use these forums to find guys way better than myself so I can level up by playing them. I still can’t trade games with Strider, can’t beat Juicebox, and most definitely can’t beat pajaromayor but it feels better every time I play them. pajaromayor especially, that guy is fucking ridiculous.

if you play since february and you didn’t make any progress it just means you are stupid

Hey. How are you? Good to hear.

What I think you need to do is just work on creating a more original play-style for yourself. Watching vids and learning the ins and outs of your character and the game itself is very important and should be your first step. But what you quickly learn is that EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING THAT TOO! so they know all those tricks you know. Your job is to trick them into falling for a trick that they already know about. How do you do this? You train them to think that you only know ONE trick, then flip out and pull another trick. Then flip out and pull a third trick. then maybe go back to that second trick. Then pull a forth. Then go back to the first. You just want to keep that “unknown” kind of advantage on them. And at the same time you need to be prepared for your opponent to be attempting the same thing.

So, in short. It’s not that you aren’t improving, it’s that everyone around you is improving just as much as you are. I think you just need to think a little more outside the box and stop trying to emulate vids and strats so much. More so you should just take things from those and incorporate it into a play-style of your own.

I forgot who said this but this reminds me of it. They said they were training a friend and after a while he definitely got better but he seemed a bit robotic. Like he would try to play every match to a script. You need to get out of that “robotic” faze and become more original. This is me assuming a bit, but I hope this is helpful in some way.

I didn’t really start improving a great deal until I started recording my matches and was able to clearly see the poor decisions I was making.

Thanks for all the great advice. Judging from the responses, it seems I’m nowhere near alone in feeling this way about SF4.

Some of the things people are warning against or suggesting are things that I’m guilty of or don’t do. I’m really going to take some of this advice to heart. I might record some of my matches in the next few days, maybe post them up here in the appropriate thread or section just to get some outside critiques.

  1. If you are having problems. Be specific when stating your problems. Otherwise your post feels like you are seeking sympathy and not a solution.

  2. Record your matches so you can review them and see what you are doing wrong. Think about what you are doing and what you’re opponent is doing. Analyze your losses.

Everyone here can give you some good advice but if you do not use it, you are wasting your time.

I’ve played sf2 for a long time and this game still doesn’t click with me. It’s the weird 3d models and hit detection that just don’t work for me. I’m just a casual player and don’t practice or anything.

Because in Sf4 … Mashing won’t get you anywhere.You need the perfect timing FOR THE WHOLE COMBO.

Watch VIDEO and see at what speed they do each COMBO.
FOr exemple if you do the Marvelous combo of boxer
(Jump RH , C Jab , C Jab , C LK xx Headbutt and you do it to fast … you won’t ever cancel the LK into the headbutt.

You need the perfect timing for the whole combo.

The Fabulous popular combo of boxer need to be done quite slow actually.If you do jab jab Lk to fast … you won’t ever cancel the lk into headbutt.

That why online ppl tend to screw it up.Because they’re more nervous and tend to mash faster.

i was talking mostly of focus dash cancel.
i think that is the most complex button/input for a normal system function in any sf game ever.

i’d go as far to say it is really out of character for sf.
much more of a tekken style thing.

i always saw sf as simple moves but timing etc makes it hard.
i never thought of sf as being a game you need noodle fingers for.

Take a situation, and break down all of your options, and all of your opponents options. Think of the counters to those options, think of the damage you will get. Begin to shift your opponents away from using the more dangerous options because you really put the hurt on them. Break the game down to its parts, this is Street Fighter, not Guilty Gear, you can actually think of EVERY option an opponent has in many situations, and think of counters for it. If an opponent has an option that beats everything you do, do not let yourself in that situation. Work for more than the moment, work for the long term setups. When you watch a japanese match, pause, ALOT. Do not look for just the combos and rushdown, look for the pokes, the spacing of jumps, the reactions to moves.

Oh, and learn to option select throw escape block.

I don’t buy into this pick a new char and main them bs, play the char you want, but if he is low tier, expect to lose more, and realize that it is not a completely accurate indication of your ability, comparatively speaking.

I’ve developed a little bit for myself since getting SF4. Still need to incorporate Focus Attacks more effectively into my playstyle.

I play mostly 1-2 hours a day, few days out of the week, so I don’t really expect to grow heaps in SF4.

Well there’s no universal truths imo so I’m just gonna tell you what helped me. I’ve been playing a couple months and I’m not great, but i feel like I’m constantly improving, so here’s what’s helped me:

  1. Baby steps. It can be a bit overwhelming to come to shoryuken and after five minutes you are aware of 20 things you need to do differently, but don’t worry about them all at once. Pick one thing that has got to change and focus on that. If it’s a bnb combo that you should do but don’t, then only worry about landing that in games, not whether you win or lose. If you don’t grab enough or use a certain normal, play through arcade against the cpu only using that move. I could probably think of ten bad habits I have off the top of my head, but right now I am 100% focused on one of those.

  2. Character change? Maybe you’re using a character that’s too hard, or maybe you’re just too glued to your g3 habits. Maybe a character change is just the thing to shake things up a little. I started out with Blanka, and I had some good times and easy wins with him against the g3 Ken army, but I noticed I plateaued and I knew the things I needed to change, but damn if my terrible habits weren’t too deeply engrained for me to change. So I switched characters and started from the ground up. Initially it set me back, but now I feel I’m even better and more fundamental.

  3. Patience. You shouldn’t expect miracles, and every good player has worked hard to get where they are and every pro was once exactly where you and I are. They talk about do this and do that, but you don’t do anything effectively unless it’s second nature and that only comes with time. They talk about how this game is a chess match, which is true, but you don’t have access to that level of depth until the moves and combos themselves are just a natural extension of your brain, and that takes time.

Sorry It’s so long winded, but I’ve felt your frustration, and these are things that helped.

I disagree with this, i think it’s the other way around actually. If you can’t execute perfectly while playing a top notch player, they will know when and how to reversal you. Why do so many new people get beat by flowchart kens? They can’t execute the links etc. Mind games have their part; if anything mindgames/execution are on level grounds for difficulty.

One of my big problems is that I’ve had a very hard time finding a main that I can use in this game. Originally, I mained Zangief, but playing him was no fun, just sitting around and waiting for someone to make a mistake while everyone runs away from me. Since I gave him up out of frustration, I’ve been jumping from character to character with no real connection to any of them.