HP Reflect into Spiral combos mid-screen?

rose

#1

So I am currently dicking around with Rose in training mode and here I thought it was possible to land cr.HP xx HP.Reflect xx Hk.Spiral in Ultra but it doesn’t seem to work. Which is weird because I remember testing this directly after buying Ultra and back then I managed to do it, even though the timing window was very difficult to hit.

I can land HP.Reflect, HK.Spiral and also cr.HP xx HP.Reflect, ex.Spiral but not a full meterless punish.

So what’s the deal here? Does it only work against certain characters? Does it work at all? Is the BnB for mid-screen punishes still cr.HP xx HK.Spiral and only cr.HP xx HP.Reflect, ex.Spiral when I want to spend one more meter for 44 more damage? Or does it generally work and the timing is just REALLY specific?


#2

I think it’s a combination of character specifics, and what move(s) you hit before the hp reflect for it to work outside the corner to link into a non ex-SS (for example landing it off a deep jump-in probably helps). I don’t think it has a reliable use against anyone outside the corner, however using it with EX SS is absolutely worth it for the 1 meter imo because of the 200 stun buff. St. hp xx hp reflect > EX ss does 460 stun for 1 meter, and also gives good corner push.


#3

Unless the character is big it doesn’t wlrk midscreen without bar. The only way to get a meterless punish midscreen is to lsnd :hp: reflect midscreen without pushing any buttons before the reflect. Honestly it’s not really worth it to land this at all unless you traded with something


#4

you are better off AAing with soul piede and then go for spiral for juggle imo


#5

But it’s reasonable if you’re using c.HP xx HP reflect as a frame trap that hits, then do EX spiral to get your damage.


#6

only if you miss your frame trap you are -7 D:


#7

totally worth it though :smiley: MP reflect is safer, just can’t nab anything extra.