It’s a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone’s picking the best CE and HF characters.
Hey 750 you play HSF2? so do I, but i play on GGPO
I don’t think I’ve ever seen people in the HSF2 lobby in GGPO. I only rarely run into HSF2 players (or people who tolerate it) on Supercade.
I actually rarely run into people who go with the usual suspects. Shit, I fought a WW dhalsim the other day lol.
Exactly, Occasionally you’ll get someone who will BS you by picking WW Zangief & stuff like that but for the most part everytime I play on GGPO the character select is very diverse.
Which is weird, since WW Gief isn’t that good (close landing SPD doesn’t outweigh not being able to move the lariat).
But he has this trap were if your blocking low he can D.LP,D.HK into a SPD which not only throws your defense off but gets you caught in one of his more powerful moves. Then he closes in with either Jumping HP or Body Splash to counter or trade hit whatever you do & the get’s in close to rinse & repeat the above. Also not to mention those WW tick stuns which after anywhere from 2-4 hits get you daze already. Well it’s what I’ve experienced at least.
Yeah, those CPS1 rapid lp/lks into dizzy are killer lol.
Cool, looks like I need to set up ggpo again on this SSD drive. Too much configuring argh.
The weirdness continues the game is being re-released on NESiCAxLive Network along with Vampire Savior, SFA3 and SF3:Third Strike.
Not really, that weird just throwing an emulator on there. Surprised it wasn’t done sooner. Pretty sure people will complain about them having delay or going too fast.
Edit: Just thought of another complaint. Too expensive, why play on Nescia for 100 yen when you could play on the real hardware for 50 yen.
+1 Dreamcast ST avatar.
This news only benefits JP gamers.
does anyone still play this on GGPO?
Even weirder that Ono said Hyper SF2 is essentially the gold standard of SF2 right now. When did that happen?
Anyone want to do a quick “best SF2 version of the character in HSF2” poll? Here’s mine:
Ryu: tie HF & ST (HF may be the strongest version of Ryu but he doesn’t have the utility of CPS2 Ryu’s juice kicks)
Ken: CE (the angle on his HP SRK is stupid crazy
Honda: ST (using the OG ST code)
Chun: ST (ditto)
Blanka: Hmm… tie between HF & ST (two completely different playstyles)
Gief: HF (between the kick lariat not being sweepable and no wiff SPD, HF Gief has to be near the top of the HSF2 tier list)
Guile: CE (dat crouching mk. No WW Guile isn’t worth picking for his redizzy jab)
Hawk: Old ST (subjective I guess)
Vega: ST (some people use CE Vega, absolutely baffled as to why)
Sagat: CE (would be Old ST if they didn’t nerf him)
Bison: CE (fucking cross up psycho crusher and SK frame traps)
I mostly agree, but Ryu would be CE, then HF, then ST. CE/HF tatsu makes him really slippery. CE Ryu doesn’t have air tatsu styling, but maintains the CE stun on his aerial attacks.
HF Honda is also really strong, if you have Shogatsu-like jumping skills.
I was under the impression that CE and HF chars had pretty much the same dizzy potential. Seeing how HF air tatsus are kinda worthless, I’d totally swap HF for CE Ryu if that was the case.
As for HF Honda, as someone who’s played HF and ST religiously with Honda as a main, I can say without hesitation that CPS2 Honda in general is way better than HF Honda. When it comes down to it, the only thing HF honda has over CPS2 honda is the HK sumo smash hitting on the way up. Which is really nice, sure, but it doesn’t negate the negatives: Sumo smash doesn’t knock a grounded opponent down, headbutt stops directly under opponent always (which can make punishing wiffed SRKs and the like a lot more difficult depending on the situation), and headbutt doesn’t knock down a grounded opponent. He does get an instant dizzy from a two hit sumo smash or headbutt, but those are incredibly hard to land on purpose.
He never said that. He just believes that it’s newer than ST and it’s still being played so that’s the one they chose. It’s complete horseshit. Most hardcore players use ST as the tournament standard, and if they use HSF2, it’s to play ST. HSF2 is just a very prevalent arcade board. Clearly, he’s out of touch with the real scene itself.
I think the real reason is that you gain access to all different SF2 characters, which would be seen as “fun” to the more casual players. You get the best of both worlds this way.
CE/HF Ryu is way better than ST ryu. The speed and recovery of his fireball basically makes him a shorter Sagat. This, combined with high damage and priority on his grounded kicks and jump attacks, makes him a monster.
Super Ken is the best. While previous versions are also solid, Super Ken has both the juice kicks, which is pretty essential to certain matchups, alongside having a really good fireball, uppercut, pokes, etc… He’s much more well-rounded.
Honda seems tied between ST Honda and Super Honda. S.Honda is actually better than ST Honda in certain matchups, so it kinda equals out.
The real HF Blanka is insanely better than ST Blanka. The problem is that HF Blanka in HSF2 isn’t quite the same. A lot of his hurt and hit boxes are all screwed up to hell.
As far as Vega goes, his damage/stun potential is higher than ST Vega if you prefer the ground game. But otherwise, ST version is vastly superior.
Old O.Sagat is still available in the game, but you need to input a special code. But even then, CE Sagat’s damage+stun potential alongside his tiger knee which basically acts as a dash, is much better.
No he isn’t. Well, you can pick O. Sagat by holding start before selecting the super version, but you won’t get ST O. Sagat. There isn’t a code to get the un-nerfed versions of Old ST characters like there is for ST characters. O. Sagat seems to be the only Old ST character that got balanced though.
Air Tatsus are not worthless, if you use them properly on all mediums (Meaning LK,MK,HK) they can set you up throws for a quick win or a combo for a stun, This method works even better while your opponent is still stuck in projectile animation.
Well on Shoryuken wiki I found a best to worst tier list for each character in the game, prehapse we can use this a a bases to continue the debate.
(Version Breakdown: Best-to-Worst ranging Left-to-Right):
Ryu: CE, HF, ST, S, WW
E. Honda: ST, HF, S, CE, WW
Blanka: HF, ST, WW, CE, S
Guile: CE, WW, HF, ST, S
Ken: CE, HF, ST, S, WW
Chun-Li: ST, HF, S, WW, CE
Zangief: HF, ST, CE, S, WW
Dhalsim: ST, WW, CE, S, HF
Balrog: ST, HF, S, CE
Vega: ST, CE, S, HF
Sagat: CE, HF, ST, S
M. Bison: CE, ST, S, HF
Dee Jay: ST, S
Cammy: ST, S
Fei-Long: ST, S
T. Hawk: S, ST