I got HDTV'd...

akuma

#1

Well after weeks and weeks and WEEKS of practicing, reading the forums here, practicing, asking some of you guys questions, practicing and practicing I finally went to my 1st live tournament. And I’d never seen anything like it. I must say, there are some people that really REALLY need to get a life. But anyways, I step on the scene with my brand new Akuma (thanks to you guys) and my matching MadCatz FightPad. And it’s finally my turn to fight my first match up. Honestly, I was a bit nervous, but I got skills so I was cool for the most part. The guy I was playing against picked C. Viper and while I totally demolished him (thanks to you guys again), I start noticing that my hit confirms are a bit laggy :wasted:. But I said to myself, I must just be nervous and not hitting my buttons. However, my timing is impeccable. But I ignored it and took the 2 sets easily. But I kept wondering about the lag I noticed. So I get to my next round I went up against Gen. An easy match-up for me for the fact that my brother mains Gen so…right :rofl:. However, the TV is lagging again and I’m getting punished heavily for it. It starts frustrating me and eventually lose to the guy in the 3rd set. I feel like I could’ve went further. But then I found about the HDTV lag thing. Lucky me. I feel like if I was on a normal TV I might have done better instead of having to try and change my timing mid-tourney. Sucks donkey balls.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this? And what should you do in situations like that?


#2

Well, you could try going to the tournament venue early, and if possible get in a few rounds of casuals before the start. That way you’ll have some time to adjust to the input lag if any.


#3

I finally went to my first grocery store, I’ve never seen anything like it. I must say, some people really need to get a life, there were tons of food nerds there buying food and shit. I step into the scene with a beaten up shopping cart and a visa check card (thanks to you guys). So anyway, I was a bit nervous and I decided to buy a bag of salad. I’m pretty good at using self-checkouts so I was pretty ok at that point. But when I got home, I noticed that the salad was far past experation date, I mean what the hell am I right? Totally messed up my salad dressing. So I built a time machine right…

To be serious though, I prefer HDTV play, looks nice. I think everyone should adopt those 2ms response time Asus monitors.


#4

Well after weeks and weeks and WEEKS of starving, reading the health books here, starving, asking some of you guys starving, starving and starving I finally went to my 1st Burger King. And I’d never seen anything like it. I must say, there are some people that really REALLY need to get a life. But anyways, I step on the scene with my brand new tray (thanks to you guys) and my matching MadCatz FoodBib. And it’s finally my turn to eat my first Whopper. Honestly, I was a bit nervous, but I got skills so I was cool for the most part. The burger I was eating had no onions and while I totally demolished him (thanks to you guys again), I start noticing that my digestive tract was a bit laggy . But I said to myself, I must just be nervous and not chewing my burger. However, my timing is impeccable. But I ignored it and took the 2 meals easily. But I kept wondering about the lag I noticed. So I get to my next round I went up against TenderCrisp. An easy match-up for me for the fact that my brother is fat so…right . However, my stomach is lagging again and I’m getting punished heavily for it(diarrhea). It starts frustrating me and eventually I sprint to the bathroom all the whilst pooing in my pants. I feel like I could’ve went further. But then I found about the E. Coli thing. Lucky me. I feel like if I was eating sterile burgers I might have done better instead of having to try and change my underwear mid-meal. Sucks donkey balls.


#5

You mean there are actually people who can feel the difference between a 0ms CRT televiosion and a 2ms hd monitor?? Come on, that’s like 1/8th of a frame. No fucking one would notice the difference.

The OP was probably refering to some 30-40ms samsung or sony hdtvs, where you can actually feel the difference.


#6

^I notice the difference…But I play on a 12in CRT…the difference is noticeable but doesn’t affect my execution…but yea when it takes slightly more time to jump (see the dust) when you press up you notice. Again not enough to affect play but definitely noticeable.


#7

Well, my computer monitor is like 12ms and my HDTV upstairs is like 4ms, there is a HUGE difference. Combos will still be the same rhythm, you just have to leave a little more mental padding before you actually perform them.


#8

Really? How can you notice something that takes less time than 1 frame ( a frame is 0.016s, the difference between your screens is 0.012s - 0.004s = 0.008s)? My old 19" Viewsonic LCD monitor was 12ms, my new Samsung 22" LCD one is 2ms. The only “difference” I can readily notice is that my new one has less “ghosting” effects when there’s moving images on my screen.

When doing a “lag” test on both monitors, the timing is identical (or as near identical as I can tell with the naked eye).

BTW, not sassing you… Just curious and (maybe) a little bit awed at how great your vision must be (and mine’s 20/20).


#9

What was that Bruce Willis movie, something to do with senses or something. There is more than visual cues, there is audio and input. Your muscle memory performs the same cr.LP x3 hit-confirm, and you subconsciously detect based on the cues audio and visual that you’re performing it correctly. When you feel it’s not as responsive, you attempt to correct your combo and end up messing it up in the process. Did you also know that through stereo sound your brain can interpret it as surround sound, and actually identify sounds in the space surrounding you. The mind is pretty wicked.

Audio latency is also a factor, depending on how much you depend on it for timing combos. Which is why I’ve switched to playing with almost no sound at all, or blaring headphones. It helps me pull out more visual queues to time my combos, like a blind person with advanced hearing, or deaf person with enhanced vision.


#10

i can definitely get with this. go on kaillera and play someone with 2ms input delay, then try 7-8 or 14 whatever. there is undoubtedly a difference.


#11

Godlike :tup:


#12

@Venom: I think you have “response time” confused with input lag.

Response time (what manufacturers list in the specificationss of their TVs and monitors) is not the same thing as input lag. You can have a response time of 2ms while still having intolerably high input lag. They have nothing to do with each other.

Response time is the amount of time it takes for the pixels on your screen to change from one color to another. If you have a display with a high response time you’ll notice a lot of ghosting compared to displays with low response times, but it’s not the same thing as input lag.

Input lag is rarely measured or listed down by manufacturers. The most common causes are the post-processing effects that most HDTVs do to improve the picture quality, and the scaling operations done when the input signal isn’t at a resolution that matches the TV’s native resolution.

Anyway, if you can feel a big difference in the lag between two TV’s, one of them is probably lagging quite a bit more than you think.


#13

I love and hate this forum so much.


#14

**I got HIV’d… **

Well after weeks and weeks and WEEKS of wanking, reading the seekbang forums here, practicing, asking some of you guys for blowjobs, practicing and practicing I finally went to my 1st hooker. And I’d never seen anything like it. I must say, there are some people that really REALLY need to get a life. But anyways, I step on the scene with my brand new cockring (thanks to you guys) and my matching nobcheese. And it’s finally my turn to fuck my first match up. Honestly, I was a bit nervous, but I got skills so I was cool for the most part. The hooker I was fucking against had STDs and while I totally demolished her (thanks to you guys again), I start noticing that my ejaculations are a bit laggy . But I said to myself, I must just be nervous and not have erectile disfunction. However, my timing is impeccable. But I ignored it and took the 2 sex easily. But I kept wondering about the lag I noticed. So I get to my next round I went up against a ho who wanted it up the ass. An easy match-up for me for the fact that my brother loves anal so…right . However, the jizz is lagging again and I’m getting punished heavily for it. It starts frustrating me and eventually have to pull it out in the 3rd set. I feel like I could’ve went further. But then I found about the HIV lag thing. Lucky me. I feel like if I was on a normal viagra I might have done better instead of having to try and change my timing mid-fuck. Sucks donkey balls.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this? And what should you do in situations like that?


#15

**I got HIV’d… **

Well after weeks and weeks and WEEKS of wanking, reading the seekbang forums here, practicing, asking some of you guys for blowjobs, practicing and practicing I finally went to my 1st hooker. And I’d never seen anything like it. I must say, there are some people that really REALLY need to get a life. But anyways, I step on the scene with my brand new cockring (thanks to you guys) and my matching nobcheese. And it’s finally my turn to fuck my first match up. Honestly, I was a bit nervous, but I got skills so I was cool for the most part. The hooker I was fucking against had STDs and while I totally demolished her (thanks to you guys again), I start noticing that my ejaculations are a bit laggy . But I said to myself, I must just be nervous and not have erectile disfunction. However, my timing is impeccable. But I ignored it and took the 2 sex easily. But I kept wondering about the lag I noticed. So I get to my next round I went up against a ho who wanted it up the ass. An easy match-up for me for the fact that my brother loves anal so…right . However, the jizz is lagging again and I’m getting punished heavily for it. It starts frustrating me and eventually have to pull it out in the 3rd set. I feel like I could’ve went further. But then I found about the HIV lag thing. Lucky me. I feel like if I was on a normal viagra I might have done better instead of having to try and change my timing mid-fuck. Sucks donkey balls.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this? And what should you do in situations like that?


#16

Makes a bunch more sense now. I don’t really see how input lag has anything to do with televisions directly though, it’s not like I’m plugging in my arcade stick to the television. It’s going to my xbox or pc.


#17

I didn’t think about a monitor’s response time, but yes, I agree, it makes a lot of sense.


#18

i HATE when my digestive track is laggy. even by 4ms, it throws my whole day off.

nice post, btw.


#19

In a nutshell it works something like this:

-Your XBox/PC/whatever console sends the display signal to your TV.

-If the signal is not the same resolution as your TV’s native resolution, your TV will have to rescale the image to display it properly. This can’t be done instantaneously because it requires a lot of computations, so there will be a bit of delay before the signal you’re feeding to your TV can be displayed. This type of lag worsens depending on how much scaling needs to be performed.

-Most HDTVs apply some sort of filtering and post-processing effects to improve picture quality. These effects may make the picture look a lot better, but similar to the scaling, these post-processing effects can’t be done instantly and will cause the display to lag.

Your control inputs will still be reaching your console/PC without any delays, but if your TV is lagging, it’ll be displaying the input signal you’re feeding it a few frames too late.


#20

There is no 4ms lag samsung hdtv on the market. Maybe you mean response time, not input lag…your samsung has probably got something like 30-40ms (yeah, even in “game mode”), that’s for sure. There’s a good chance that your pc screen is lagging less than that.