Justice League/DC movie thread


#3543

I just came back from the Mask of the Phantasm screening. Movie rocked.

Anyhoo, Fathom is having a double feature of the animated Death of Superman (2018) and Reign of the Supermen (2019) on Jan. 13 and 14 , 2019 at select theatres.
https://www.fathomevents.com/events/the-death-of-superman-reign-of-the-supermen-double-feature

Also, the 1978 Superman movie with Chris reeve is showing Nov . 25, Nov 27, and Dec 3 2018
https://www.fathomevents.com/events/superman-40th-anniversary?date=2018-12-03%2000:00:00.000


#3544

Grayson super power is instant panty wetting. Motel Owners be damned!


#3545

Welp i know where i’ll be those 2 days.


#3546

Hoping for positive reviews…


#3547

Saw the first two episodes of Titans yesterday…yeah, sign me the fuck up. I was worried it’d suck, I’m glad to be wrong (so far)

Loving the costume designer and the fact that its alot darker than the CW shows, albeit with a purpose


#3548

seems like titans dick grayson is going the ollie route. prob will swear off killing in a season or two. blaming batman for how violent he is.


#3549

Because Batman is a stone cold killer.

Grayson being a dick is all on Dick.

If the writer’s Ghost is named Dick. :coffee:


#3550

Batmans a dick, but Robin killing people is on Robin.


#3551

Yup.

He doesn’t though, does he?

In the comics?


#3552

Batman hasnt killed people in many many many years, hence why Joker still gets to kill millions whenever he breaks out of jail.

It could be argued that the things he does to people would actually kill them, but thats a different conversation about comic books as a whole.

Ive never known Robin to kill people before, but I guess I could be wrong, I havent read everything lol.


#3553

I would not put killing past one or three Robins.

But Grayson is the exception.

Which is why the Titans show is straight up bollocks, to me.


#3554

Jason Todd would kill a mother fucker without even blinking.

Dont think Tim would kill anyone.

Kelly probably would, but then thats the nature of TDKR so i dont think it really counts.

Dick Grayson doesn’t kill people.


#3555

Grayson is what Batman ought to have been.

He is there to show that Bruce makes a choice, and is irreparably flawed, as a hero.

His parents died too.

He isn’t Old Timey Emo about it.


#3556

Graysons my favorite Batman, I wish he got to keep The Mantle.


#3557

Everything they’ve shown of Aquaman makes me think it’s going to be a “good” movie. At the same time, it’s likely doing what a lot of bad movies do: show all the good parts in the trailers to build hype and interest only for people to be disappointed when it comes out.

Since every DCEU movie has been really bad so far (I didn’t like Wonder Woman, it’s their best DCEU movie by fucking miles but it’s stll pretty awful IMO.) I have little faith in Aquaman


#3558

wut? are you paying attention to the show…their doin its own thing. This version got dick using guns and killing, jason todd is super new robin and already murking dudes in his first scene. It def implies batman is violent as fuck…we already got possibly tony zuko back from the dead implying he also got supposedly murked by either bats or robin.

just like every weird ass tv interpretation, this shit is elseworld to me.


#3559

#3560

Dick doesn’t kill in the show though, he’s just extremely (like… REALLY) violent and can’t control himself when he puts on the mask. Starfire killed twice already I think and that’s fine coming from her, it’s obvious it’s something that will be a character arc for her and Dick to help them get closer.
From what I read he’s heavily based on the Perez/Wolfman era that had 4 years of story. Dick had anger towards Batman and tried to find his identity, just like in the show but with different reasons. Here’s someone who read it explaining Dick in the show.

Summary

There have been a few different versions of this period of his life in the comics. This show is based on the Wolfman/Perez era, which I think is the best version because it unfolded over nearly four years of stories, allowing for a lot of nuance and detail that made it easy to understand all the forces at work.

Dick joined that iteration of the team during his college years. Going to school, working with Batman, leading the Titans, maintaining a solo career, and working at Haly’s Circus all at the same time ran him ragged. He had high expectations as a student and took his commitments to Bruce, the Titans, and Haly’s very seriously. So there was a period where he was really out of sorts and overworked, pushing himself relentlessly.

It would be revealed later that this was compounded by the lingering effects of torture he suffered at the hands of Brother Blood. It all came to a head and he decided to stop being Robin. He spent a short time with no superhero identity, but was forced back into the fold during The Judas Contract. That’s when he became Nightwing.

This was changed a couple years later during a continuity upheaval at DC (Wolfman & Perez’s Crisis on Infinite Earths). In the after math of that, they chose to change Jason Todd from being a contrived copy of Dick Grayson (Jason was originally an orphaned circus kid just like Dick) to an angsty street kid with an attitude.

In that version of the story, they threw out the detailed Titans version and replaced it with this: Dick was shot by The Joker, which scared Bruce and caused him to basically fire Dick, forbidding him from being Robin. Dick became Nightwing and Bruce almost immediately ran into Jason (stealing the wheels off the Batmobile) and made him Robin. It was pretty ridiculous – too dangerous for the acrobat trained from birth who had been Robin for years, but not too dangerous for some punk thief whose only qualification was that he fit the suit.

Dick’s origin has been retold and rejiggered a bunch of times since then, but that original version still stands as the best. As for whether it squares with the show, yes, it does. Dick’s anger toward Bruce had different motivations, but all the moving pieces are the same.

Dick started his life as a performer, happy, open, comfortable in the spotlight. Working without a net meant that he had an unwavering faith in his parents, trusting them implicitly, both to train him and to be there to catch him when he fell.

So his life with Bruce – unhappy, closed off, hidden from the spotlight, no faith or trust in anyone – was antithetical to Dick’s nature. So with the show it’s more about violence and in the comics it was Dick outgrowing Bruce’s restrictive, illogical crusade. But in both cases it’s 100% about identity. “Who am I?”

And the answer in both cases is that he isn’t simply his parents’ son, Bruce’s ward, or Batman’s partner. He’s an amalgamation of all of those things, and he reached a point where it was time to acknowledge that and forge a path of his own. In other words, his parents taught him to live by his heart, Bruce taught him to prioritize his mind, and he needed to find a way forward that would allow him to do both.

He wants to be a crimefighter, which doesn’t allow for the level of openness and trust his parents instilled in him. But he also wants to be Dick Grayson – to embrace some level of hope, faith, and compassion; to allow for love and connection with others – which doesn’t allow for the distrust, deception, solitude, and obsession that Bruce instilled in him.

So I think the show gets it right. They’re just being original with it; showing it to you from a different perspective. He leaves Bruce and Gotham but still wants to fight crime, hence the badge. But it’s not enough. The system doesn’t always work, hence the mask. He left home, but the shadow of the bat still looms over him, for better and worse.

And Dick doesn’t use guns in the show. Batman can be brutal with his fighting too, I think they take a lot of inspirations from BvS fighting wise (Robins fight scenes so far look similar to Batfleck’s).

Tldr; I highly recommend to give the show a chance, every episode is better than the last one so far and it’s actually good. If you think Dick kills you probably only checked the trailer, even then the actor playing Dick said before the start of the show that Dick doesn’t kill.


#3561

Dick does use a gun. He used his gun in episode one when recused Rachel in the decrepit house. Dick is a detective on this show so using firearms is unavoidable.


#3562

^He didn’t really use it, he took out a guy with his skills and had his gun with him since he didn’t have his suit and gadgets. I don’t think he used a gun to harm someone.