According to Taktak(Korean Tekken player) this variant is installed in Korean Tekken 7 cabinets
Crazy good stuff!
You don’t really seem to miss anything from the official manufactures, there is a completely different marked for k-sticks.
there are a few small shops that modify the joysticks. the most popular stick to mod is the Myoungshin Fanta, They call them “Myoungshin Fanta Airbag”
They change the latex rubber to a silicone rubber, and use Thailand micro switches and support the switches underneath and on top of them.
Green Arcade Lever
2011 version of Green Arcade lever
Uses a metal actuator
Normal Fanta / Fanta airbag
Quick comparison with the Crown 307 and Myoungshin fanta
The Myoungshin Fanta Airbag is the golden standard for top players in korea. Infiltration, JDCR etc. etc. uses this version.
when it comes to arcades they tend to use cheaper parts, and you never really know what you are play
Thanks Darksakul for reincarnating the old Korean part FAQ and giving us a place to discus theese often misunderstood arcade parts.
Kkolding nice pictures of the “myoungshin fanta airbag” first time I have ever seen this mod.
Anyway to buy one of these Fanta Airbags?
(also still want a Taeyoung Fanta…)
Just a quick reminder. You can use balltops with the Myoungshin Fanta and maybe with Crown too, just replace the shaft with a regular shaft from Sanwa and voila!
The shafts are the same length and diameter. I used that with a personal fightstick from a few years ago, so I’m 100% sure of this… at least with the Fanta:
Taeyoung Fanta is very much like the Crown CWJ-303N,
It’s not possible to buy them if you don’t live in Korea, they don’t ship internationally.
but send me a PM, and we might be able to figure something out.
http://istmall.co.kr/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=9992322&category= - Myoungshin fanta airbag
I tried this wasn’t really the same feel. but good tip if you want to try lollipop on a Myoungshin =)
Yeah, it not the same since the extra length of the battop helps to play a lot better. But still an option for those who are more used to play with balltops.
From 2005 TZ
Makers of the “Wooden Korean stick” and the Saulabi = http://www.stick.pe.kr
Thanks for the link but I don’t read Korean and can’t even get Google translate to translate the page.
I did found this
Laught’s Saulabi Modding thread
These are both old threads with broken images and links, so please don’t necro the threads with request for updates.
Danm! I remember that thread even used that Modding thread and made a few of them saulabi’s for the local scene.
Last few times I visited Korea I haven’t been able to find any Taeyoung stick’s, last ones I had was from Laugh/Etokki in 2011. as it looks right now it doesn’t seem to be produced, or isn’t popular enough.
The Joysticks I actually dislike are the Sanwa JLF and most of the Happ and IL catalog.
lol, you’re gonna hate korean sticks even more.
Interesting, I wonder then if the 307 having a silicon rubber option is a response to players preferring the “fanta airbag”.
Now I kinda understand why there’s a metal ring that holds the microswitches. Nin(a top Korean player & commentator) once brought a complete panel from I assume Green Arcade to our local arcade. I heard he used a modified Myoungshin Fanta. But I never had any idea what exactly had been done to the stick until now.
everytime time his match came up at the tournament, the panel had to be swapped
^It’s stuff like that that makes me think believe that Crown added the silicon grommet option to the 307 specifically as a response to modded Fantas. I mean, Crown seems to be the most progressive of the Korean manufacturers.
The silicon rubber gommet is alot more durable then the original gommets, so the rubber wont soften up over time playing on it.
I have both a makestick pro and a magic stick both uses there own mod of the Myoungshin fanta, alltho Magic stick dont use Moyngshin fanta anymore they seem to use a modified 307 now.
@Fearless I was thinking that probably Samducks opted for shafts with non seperable battops and balltops because they wanted to follow WICO’s method of one piece shaft&handle part, since they used grommets too (design that was recycled for non grommet models with Suzo, IL and Happ with their microswitch models) : Samducksa surely fears the rubber may grip the shaft and eventually unscrew the battop…
How did your Sanwa JLF shaft mod work out? Did it start to loosen and unscrew a bit or not ?
@kkolding Funny you mentioned Istmall.co.kr since I mentioned them on the Zero Delay PCB thread they have the whole ZD style PCB line of products) , but oddly enough they don’t have such a large choice of Samducksa buttons, no sign of the CWB 207 H with 2-pin connector, that has threaded and snap-in design all in one! Did you try that one? And what of the american microswitch style CWB-201-LA&LB ? As for the leaf switch models CWB 202-A & B , what are they worth?
Korean modder “Hibal” tested the 307 line of prototype silicone ST grommets (or “tension rubbers” as they say in Korea) on his website, with a demonstration video :
-translucent “55 hardness” silicone : medium soft
-opaque white “55 hardness” silicone : slightly firmer
-opaque white “60 hardness” silicone : even firmer feel perhaps a tad too much for him according to what I understood, he finds it too tough and tiring.
He speaks of compatibility with preexisting model 303.
Hibal has another test page and vid on youtube where he tests proto grommets for 307F : 2 black rubbers at “60 hardness” and 2 silicone grommets, one opaque white at “45” and one translucent at “50”.
these are not mentioned in the article I posted just above (which is the 2nd test in fact). He clearly states they are prototypes that may not coincide with final production models.
Hibal’s initial test with 45-60 “hardness” tension grommets:
Here he states that the 45 may really be too weak for centering, whereas 60 may be too strong
**Compare with korean modder Kuenste’s 307F test where the ST silicone grommet he uses in the 307F seems completely loose and unusable (absolutely shitty centering, must watch) compared to all the silicone models tested by Hibal, even though Hibal himself thought the “45” St silicone would be too soft and not precise enough!! **
Perhaps the model tested by Kuenste is even softer than the super soft 45 Hibal wasn’t so pleased with?
Is the soft grommet tested by Kuenste a proto or the production model ST silicone? Since Kuenste tests only one rubber and one silicone, one would immediately think of the only two grommets used for final release, but we need confirmation.
Kuenste’s demonstration :
Worth noting: in his first grommet test, Hibal clearly says the korean Tekken 7 cabs have 307 ST “60” grommets (unless I poorly understood) . What’s going on… I thought the retail ST silicone grommet was supposed to be “soft” as advertised by Samducksa (you can see the advert in this same thread : rubber normal, silicone “soft” … ) ? If someone who understands korean could help us out…
Anyways “60” is not soft at all according to Hibal’s test.
In this article , Hibal speaks of which lever models are used in Tekken cabs in Korea (confirms 307F-ST as official in Tekken 7 cabs) and which seem best for console fightsticks :
Hibal again tests various proto actuators on the 307F lever ( 20.7mm 21mm & 21.2mm ) :
what about the “silent” 307F levers, they are fitted with leafswitches , reviving in a sort the dreaded 304 model , which brings me to ask if the 307 silent are as bad as the 304 ? (by the way, Samducksa doesn’t feature the Crown 304 leaf model on their english site, only on the korean version) . So did anyone test the silent one, and if so is there a substantial improvement concerning the leaf durability and tendency to deform quickly compared to 304?
Last but not least, Hibal’s complete 307 model test and comparison with 303 and Sanwa JLF (I’m a bit skeptical of his evaluation of the return to neutral aka centering qualities when comapred to JLF ) :