I mixed the myoungshin fanta conversion kit from FA with a crown 307 st that had the silicone grommet. I had to dremel the hole in my stick surface plate cause its a Tekken 5 ps2 stick body I converted into a custom stick.
First off, the silicone grommet did make diagonals easier to do in the 307, but quarter circles were a bit harder since it kinda wanted to stay at diagonal. I didnt really like the stiffer microswitches that the st came with.
Playing with the conversion grommet and microswitches is easier due to softer switches mainly. Even with the 307 actuator being larger than the 303 sticks theres a lot of deadzone, and I really have to break in the grommet to make it easier to play.
Overall I like that I got the conversion kit, but I need to find a way to eliminate the excess deadzone in the stick. I had to put weights in my stick though so that it wouldnt jerk around since its still stiff, but they loosen up over time right? Thats what I heard.
I’d like to ask @wazwuz if he recommends putting the kit in the 307 ST, since to my knowledge it was designed for the 303-FK. You’re probably right that the switches may affect play, and indeed over time, a bit of wear and tear will get some of the stiffness out.
kkolding is international; I believe @wazwuz can assist in sending units to him. I can issue my portion of the test units to others.
This will represent the first phase of testing.
The goal of the silicone grommet test is to see whether it comes close to the model touted as the official Tekken 7 unit. @wazwuz will follow up with details as to how we’ll go about testing that, and the expected switch/actuator configuration.
The objective of the Myoungshin Fanta grommet is to see whether the higher shore rating lends to a better overall experience. This is mainly an experiment.
The kit I’m sending is a test to allow installation of the Fanta joystick into a common fightstick, such as the TE or TE2. The domestic units will ship out by Friday of this week.
The kit is free as part of a public testing phase. I believe you purchased from FA a while back. Has the shipping address changed?
To others, I’m afraid that I have to limit the testing to domestic. @wazwuz recently explained that I have all of the silicone grommets he made at this time, and shipping from Indonesia is rather expensive. It’s pretty expensive for me as well. I’m very sorry @kkolding. :s
I have that rock hard rubber from an old Taeyoung fanta.
Compared to the medium rubber on the Myoungshin I just thought the hard rubber was too stiff.
I do think it would be interesting to see what happens if there was a rubber they tries to meet between medium and hard.
Any chance in the future would you want to experiment with harder microswitches? I saw that the Crown 309 uses 400g Gersung switches. And from what I’ve heard the Crown 309 got a lot of good feedback.
@Deadlywolf I may look into it. These incremental changes to each model is actually helping to fracture the product lineup, however. We now have the 303, 307 and 309, each with variations on grommet and switch. I’ll admit I’m not trying to carry all of them, because from experience, there are only a few choice configurations that people actually buy. The rest will sit in the warehouse, sadly.
I recently learned from my supplier that Crown is offering a 60 Shore A grommet for the 307. This is a separate purchase. I’d rather have it installed with the existing model. For now, I’d like to see what tests using @wazwuz’s models will turn up.
I think hard rubber gourmets are more acceptable on arcade cabinets than it is on a regular consumer controller.
Reason why I would say this is because arcade cabinets have a more stable panel. It doesn’t shake, move or wobble around when players are doing high speed movements on a joystick.
On a regular consumer arcade controller, when using an Korean stick with high tension rubber. I think more users would find themselves having to use their wrists and palm to keep the panel stable and from moving around so much. That’s what I have to do with I use a really stiff joystick. I’d have my right wrist holding down the arcade stick so it wouldn’t move/wobble. And it’s not a very pleasant thing to do.
I predict that it would be better to have slightly lower rubber tension on consumer arcade sticks vs what the rubber tension be on an official arcade panel.
On a site note:
I’ve seen Tekken players(Mr. Naps, Nobi, Ao, etc) on Sanwa sticks performing really well in Tekken. And Sanwa sticks are incredibly loose, barely any tension from their springs at all. And Tekken requires a lot of neutral inputs. So maybe hardrubber/spring isn’t everything? I do notice Sanwa sticks are way more clicky than Korean sticks. What if Korean sticks felt clicky too? It’s one of the reasons why I’m so curious to see what a k-stick with harder microswitches would be like.
Oh! And I found this video. The creator claims he is using a Myoungshin Fanta with a more loose rubber.
Alternatively, I’ve seen Korean players such as Laugh and Infiltration performing really well in Street Fighter with Fanta sticks. IMO it’s all about what the player likes best. Sanwas do return to neutral quickly enough and never snap in the opposite direction like my American Happ/IL sticks do. So in a game requiring neutral inputs, Sanwas do the job well also. IMO Sanwas also do a better job with diagonal inputs than Fantas, but that’s just my opinion