@Fearless I was thinking that probably Samducks opted for shafts with non seperable battops and balltops because they wanted to follow WICO’s method of one piece shaft&handle part, since they used grommets too (design that was recycled for non grommet models with Suzo, IL and Happ with their microswitch models) : Samducksa surely fears the rubber may grip the shaft and eventually unscrew the battop…
How did your Sanwa JLF shaft mod work out? Did it start to loosen and unscrew a bit or not ?
@kkolding Funny you mentioned Istmall.co.kr since I mentioned them on the Zero Delay PCB thread they have the whole ZD style PCB line of products) , but oddly enough they don’t have such a large choice of Samducksa buttons, no sign of the CWB 207 H with 2-pin connector, that has threaded and snap-in design all in one! Did you try that one? And what of the american microswitch style CWB-201-LA&LB ? As for the leaf switch models CWB 202-A & B , what are they worth?
Korean modder “Hibal” tested the 307 line of prototype silicone ST grommets (or “tension rubbers” as they say in Korea) on his website, with a demonstration video :
-translucent “55 hardness” silicone : medium soft
-opaque white “55 hardness” silicone : slightly firmer
-opaque white “60 hardness” silicone : even firmer feel perhaps a tad too much for him according to what I understood, he finds it too tough and tiring.
He speaks of compatibility with preexisting model 303.
Hibal has another test page and vid on youtube where he tests proto grommets for 307F : 2 black rubbers at “60 hardness” and 2 silicone grommets, one opaque white at “45” and one translucent at “50”.
these are not mentioned in the article I posted just above (which is the 2nd test in fact). He clearly states they are prototypes that may not coincide with final production models.
Hibal’s initial test with 45-60 “hardness” tension grommets:
Here he states that the 45 may really be too weak for centering, whereas 60 may be too strong
**Compare with korean modder Kuenste’s 307F test where the ST silicone grommet he uses in the 307F seems completely loose and unusable (absolutely shitty centering, must watch) compared to all the silicone models tested by Hibal, even though Hibal himself thought the “45” St silicone would be too soft and not precise enough!! **
Perhaps the model tested by Kuenste is even softer than the super soft 45 Hibal wasn’t so pleased with?
Is the soft grommet tested by Kuenste a proto or the production model ST silicone? Since Kuenste tests only one rubber and one silicone, one would immediately think of the only two grommets used for final release, but we need confirmation.
Kuenste’s demonstration :
Worth noting: in his first grommet test, Hibal clearly says the korean Tekken 7 cabs have 307 ST “60” grommets (unless I poorly understood) . What’s going on… I thought the retail ST silicone grommet was supposed to be “soft” as advertised by Samducksa (you can see the advert in this same thread : rubber normal, silicone “soft” … ) ? If someone who understands korean could help us out…
Anyways “60” is not soft at all according to Hibal’s test.
In this article , Hibal speaks of which lever models are used in Tekken cabs in Korea (confirms 307F-ST as official in Tekken 7 cabs) and which seem best for console fightsticks :
Hibal again tests various proto actuators on the 307F lever ( 20.7mm 21mm & 21.2mm ) :
what about the “silent” 307F levers, they are fitted with leafswitches , reviving in a sort the dreaded 304 model , which brings me to ask if the 307 silent are as bad as the 304 ? (by the way, Samducksa doesn’t feature the Crown 304 leaf model on their english site, only on the korean version) . So did anyone test the silent one, and if so is there a substantial improvement concerning the leaf durability and tendency to deform quickly compared to 304?
Last but not least, Hibal’s complete 307 model test and comparison with 303 and Sanwa JLF (I’m a bit skeptical of his evaluation of the return to neutral aka centering qualities when comapred to JLF ) :