Details please, OS people can do against you, OS you can do against them. Moves that beat yours and moves that beat thier most useful specials/normals. Call out bullshit on anything, but give reason as to why don’t just say cuz. If you don’t agree with a certain approach like being passive vs character X, put up a tactic and explain why. The more details the better the match up guide, the better for all. Will post one character at a time to make sure all of them are covered. No bullshit, if youre going to flame at least provide information the is being discussed as well. No socialising none of that. K thanks by, one more thing, this will happen only if you guys want it to happen.
Post #2 = list moves that can be punished/tactics by both characters when posted in single posts will be reposted on post #2
Post #3 = Old information from other threads that needs to be nit picked if needed.
Post #4 = OS?
Post #5 = current restructerd match up guide all put in format proposed by Francys.
Posts #2-5 will constantly change and be deleted to accommodate the new discussion at hand.
I know other non Vega users may frequent this thread, if you see anything that may be wrong regarding your mains character feel free to have a say.
**updated Post #5 with nuisances and wake up options against Abel. **
[details=Spoiler] Adon ???
Matchup difficulty ?|?
Adon- I don’t know much about Adon’s move properties and how they really factor into the matchup vs. Vega. Seems like there will be little point for Adon to use his wall dives outside of punishing poorly maneuvered and unsafe FBAs. Adon is really pesky up close, incessant, with c. short into the jaguar kick, and a pretty slow overhead. Footsies here will be some of the most interesting in the game. Don’t be fooled by Adon’s specialty; which is slow startups on a lot of moves, but really quick recovery. Often it will be him making the first move, but at times it’ll be easy for him to bait you because even if you react and punish with something you might not make it in time. IE, sweep, he might bait it with something as heavy as a st. RH. It?s got great range, can hang with the most of Vega’s pokes but Vega will still have the edge, ultimately. Abuse c. mp and c. mk. Adon can’t combo for shit. Up close he’ll probably mix you up something fierce with his overhead, rising jaguar and general shenanigans with the jaguar kick. He won’t be able to punish you at all with most of his jaguar tooth shenanigans as Vega’s footsies are faster than some and really, you shouldn’t be mashing pokes anyway and it’s easy to tell when that move is coming: it has a huge start up, even the EX one. Adon is kind of tough to grasp. Seems solid in general, but not really a punisher like Vega cause he sucks so much at comboing on the fly. Much better up close than Vega though, and he is highly capable of a rush down because of great walk speed. You should crouch a lot, but react to his overhead since it’s so damn slow. If you crouch he literally will not be able to hit confirm into anything more than 150 damage since rising jaguar whiffs. He’ll be tough to pin down. IMO this will be the most interesting of Vega’s new matchups. Lots of flying around and generally I think the matchup will boil down to outsmarting Adon on defense. It’s not as simple as “out poking” Adon because he has good pokes and can out maneuver you very easily with jaguar kick in the air, but you will have to expose Adon’s lack of comboability. I don’t know the properties on either Jaguar Tooth or Kick but I think they are unsafe, maybe not unsafe enough to be thrown.
Any wall dive by Adon = Free U2, no matter which strength it is. Any Jaguar kick block string = free reversal, but beware that that is how Adon baits stuff out. Otherwise he will chip and always prevent you from jumping out. Your best bet is to stand still, react, and press HK to react to Jaguar Kicks. Those do 130 damage, that’s a lot. big threat, don’t eat them.
Adon crosses you up all day. Either Neutral jump to throw him off as he’s crossing you up and say fuck off or you just have to sit there. His jump is so fast and moves so quick you are pinned down pretty efficiently usually. His tick throw game is problematic as is the fact he can mix up with rising jaguars… Adon is REALLY strong on offense. In most cases you should sit and block. Block low cause his sweep is really fast but block jaguar kicks high cause that makes them have worse frame disadvantage on block. his overhead, just hit him, it’s start up is really slow. normally it’s better to use outside of most chars’ ranges but Vega?s range > Adon’s range on his overhead. just hit him.
FBA’s are avoidable by his fdash, and in most cases a rising jaguar. He can punish you pretty easily but you also can’t vortex him. FBA is kind of useless in this match, he’s simply too quick and nimble to grab. In most cases you have to keep him pinned to the ground as his backdash is shit and no threat to Vega’s range and otherwise he will be beat by your neutral jump attacks if you’re doing them right. he can poke you with st. rh and remember that his start ups are slow but recovery is fast so if you want to bait his stuff you have to be reacting well or else you’re getting nothing accomplished.[/details]