I have just finished reading the majority of help topics regarding M.Bison in this forum and I feel like I didn’t learn much. Sorry for opening up another discussion about a character that has been discussed numerous times, but I guess I just want to confirm some ideas about him.
First, I want to discuss throws. I don’t know the exact frame data but I do recall Bison having the best throw in the game. So everytime I throw, it gets teched and everytime I don’t throw, I get thrown. A possible scenario is when hes jumping toward me and I neutral jump and we both fall at the same time --> teched throw. Or when I throw a hadoken and he jumps over it --> throw. Or when I let out a st. RH --> he focuses --> throw. Or when he lets out a st. RH --> I focus --> teched throw. Do cr. lks and cr. lps beat this out? It is not working for me because I always get thrown. I even try to neutral jump when he whiffs throw but he recovers fast enough before my nj rh comes out. Similarly, If i nj rh on the way up, I get punished. It’s a win-win for him.
Second, I want to discuss anti air. I’m sure everyone knows the strength of Sakura’s cr.fp. I just want to confirm what beats out his headstomp and devils reverse.
Headstomp --> cr.fp, nj mp, nj mk, nj hp, dash back --> bnb
EX headstomp --> dash back–> bnb? (do you have enough time?), does standalone cr.fp beat this?
Devil’s reverse --> cr.fp, focus --> bnb
EX devil’s reverse --> cr.fp?
Empty devil’s reverse --> tech throw, do you have enough time for bnb(st.fp,lktatsu,crhp,extatsu)
Speaking of air, is there any way to beat his j.fp when you’re in the air already? And it also feels like his j mpx2 has so much priority as well. A quick j.tatsu maybe?
Third, I want to rant about how horrible her hadoken is. Headstomp beats it, psycho crusher beats it, ex scissors beats it. Now with his new ult, I’ve even seen some Bisons U2 from across the screen. Yeah, you can charge it, but I don’t really use it effectively. Only thing I can think of using hadoken is to bait a focus and EX otoshi. That’s it.
Fourth, shouoken. I am pretty good at doing the crmk–> heavy shouoken. However, I feel like it only works when hes focusing. Most of the time it gets blocked/punished. Either that or I’m wasting two bars to escape. Wakeup shouokens get punished by cr.lk–> scissor. EX shouokens are 50/50. They either are successful and do the full damage or gets traded for the first part, then gets blocked/punished in the second.
Fifth, Sakura’s mixup game. I feel like the core strength of Sakura is in her mixup game via EX tatsu. However, vs bison it is completely non-existant. His wakeup is ridiculous.
- EX psycho crusher --> completely safe
- EX headstomp --> invincibility frames (someone want to explain how to punish this?)
- EX devils reverse --> invincibility frames(same as above)
- Teleport back --> how do you punish this if you are jumping in with a j rh. only ways that i can punish this is if i empty jump.
- Blocking --> pretty straightforward
I’ve gotten to the point where I just finish my ex tatsu off with U2 or otoshi which is horrible, I know. I try crossing up and that gets blocked 99.99% of the time. Are her crossups that predictable?
Sixth, when to use Sakura’s focus. Only good time I see would be after a devil’s reverse. Technically, you can use it for sweep. But ideally, I would just block and go into my bnb for damage scaling purposes. Psycho crusher beats it, the stronger scissors beat it, the lk scissors is safe enough that you can block after. Should I just cut out focus from my repertoire vs bisons?
Seventh, how does one beat the constant barrage of scissor kicks in the corner? Blocking is important, but when is it safe to come out with your own combos. And which combos specifically? cr.lk, cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.mk xx heavy shouoken? I’m pretty sure lk scissor is safe on block, and everytime I try to do anything after this I get owned. Possible scenarios:
- block --> another chain of scissors, focus cancel–> another chain,throw
- focus --> works 25% of the time if i can let it go after his cr.lk, it will stop him mid-scissor
- throw --> teched throw, or another chain of scissor
- jump --> chain of scissors, whiffed throw/block, st rh
- shouoken, ex shouken --> gets chained into scissors, like i said earlier ex either works or gets traded/blocked/punished
I’m about to give up on her because of matchups like these…
SO PLEASE HELP!!! ANY input is greatly appreciated!!
PS. WHERE IS SABRE MAN?! and the flower dude?