Get the Nothing 2006 re-recording / remaster. MILES ahead of the original.
And dont sleep on Catch 33, at first its gonna sound like a one trick pony… but oh boy what a fucking pony it is.


Considering that you hear metal in japanese i think that you wouldn’t mind if is on spanish, i think that you could end liking this band

Is based on The Pit and the Pendulum of Edgar Allan Poe (Actually the whole album is dedicated to Poe)

On the topic of Messhugah, i heard that their last EP wasn’t that good, i have not listened yet, so i can’t really say if tru or not, so maybe someone can give some highlights about it


All Mesuggah is solid. Obzen and Kolossus are more streamlined (not a bad thing, considering how well they do it), the latter having a more “natural” production, and Obzen having a more sterile and mechanical production.

However their other albums are nothing (pardon the pun) alike:

-Contradictions Collapse (1994) is just another thrash album cloned from Metallica, doesnt worth anyone time.

-DEI (95 or 96) is their best album and imo the best to start. Is a thrash metal album on the surface, but they started using the polyrythms that everyone already knows, and the palm muted “djent” riffs so copied nowadays.

-I cant stand Chaosphere (98 or 99). They try too hard to be so tech in this, but sounds so messy.

-Nothing has two versions: The 2002 one i dont rec to anyone, the audio sounds… broken, for lack of a better term. The 2006 version is REALLY innovative (altough tiresome at times), focusing more on grooves than speed.

-I and Catch 33 (03, 04) are really good, both are one track record but I is only one track and diverse, while Catch 33 is splitted in tracks but is basically the same groove all the way. The concept is really cool btw (paradoxes).

-Obzen and Kolossus are follow ups to DEI, as i said, with different productions and slighty different styles.

Overall a great band. Their sound is difficult to digest at first, but well worth it after that (specially if you´re a fan of prog/tech thrash or death metal… or just DIFFERENT albums altogether).


Thanks for the post bro, though you left out the album/EP that i was asking for, “Pitch Black” :rofl: (Not to mention that i already heard the previous albums :looney:)


Think i just only heard one song from that EP, IIRC, is just a follow up to what they did in Kolossus. I have heard some of their old EP too, they are cool and worth getting to see how the band evolved (even that one that has like 6 versions of Destroy Erase Improve, lol).

Also Meshuggah ALWAYS has great lyrics that are ON POINT with the music… a fucking difficult task considering their complicated polyrythms:

From “Stengah” (a song about drug addiction)



Do we have anyone that’s into Black Metal here or am I that guy? Anyway, why the fuck do people like Mayhem? Of course different strokes and all that but Mayhem’s “vocalist” seems like he’s parodying almost and I just don’t get why “De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas” is hailed as one of the best BM albums.


I like some black metal bands like Dimmu (i know, their last album is not BM), Agalloch, Akercocke, etc
I also hear like 2 or 3 unblack metal :rofl: that were not bad :looney:


You should try Cradle of Filth, they should right up your alley, buddy!


Depends on what BM period or style are we talking about. I like simple BM (Celtic Frost, Immortal), but the most KVLT ones just bore me.


I think the 90’s was better for raw black like Darkthrone, Immortal etc.

I like early Cradle, Midian and up though is where I can’t listen to a full album though early Hecate Enthroned are miles better. Dimmu get a lot of shit but I still like 'em.


I like some BM. Freezing Moon is pretty cool though it took me some time to get into it; I actually got into it by Vader’s cover of the song


Check out Japanese black metal band Sabbat


Haven’t listened to this song in a long time, still one of their best songs imo



Any Nevermore fans here? I wish they didn’t break up :frowning:


Yo anybody hear the new deafheaven? Fuuuucking fantastic

Oh my fucking god this! One thing i hate more than anything else in this world are these stupid metal genre pedants who talk more about the genre than the music itself. Like, youre gonna label something fucking folk-viking-metal? gtfo


Lol, that would be redundant since viking metal is folk metal to begin with, just that focuses on Viking themes.
I know that some people can become quite anal when talking about genres, but keep in mind that different labels help to identify better the bands based on the different characteristics that make the music.

For example
There is a very obvious difference between bands like


Despite that all of them are Death Metal, even if you like it or not, there is a necessity for labels since it makes it more easy to group the bands between their common characteristics


This is National Socialist Black Metal or Nazi Metal for short

This is Neoclassic Metal


Which can be considered a genre by itself in some cases, since the whole fucking point is to use elements of classical music when composing the songs
And i think that i don’t need to to point any Symphonic Death Metal since is very wide spread and is very obvious why is called symphonic.

Saying that
Deafheaven doesn’t sound bad i will check it later





Shaft Agent is one of the bigger conundrums on this forum for me.

He is like Million. Knows what he likes, and only likes what he likes, and what he likes, he likes only because of very specific reasons. Except he doesn’t come of as creppy.

Dude justs posts and says, thread blows.


I can only think of 2 songs he posted, I liked both. But WTF is it that he likes?? One was by blotted science, and the other was talking about god or some shit like that. And Shaft went on about the guitar progression. But is that the only type of metal the dude likes??

It’s also commical how ArtVaday or whatever the fuck comes in out of nowhere and spews his shit.

Sabbath bearly makes the metal charts bro. Next thing we know, this motherfucker is gonna say AC/DC is metalish. Hahahahaha

As for the labeling thing. It’s a pain in the ass because there are labels within labels. It’s really not neccesary imo. Labels like BM, Heavy Metal, Progressive Metal do help, but it gets annoying when you start mixing shit like Symphonic Folk Death Metal or whatever the fuck kids do now in days.

I do miss my days of ignorance where Metal was metal, and the only thing that mattered was if it was heavy , or heavy and brutal enough to be qualified metal. If it passed, it was metal and that was that

Looking back in retrospect, holy shit so much Metal fucking sucks. It’s not even funny. Trash is the worst culprit of it all, but then again, whats to be expected from a genre who’s only diffrence between harder faster punk and itself is the solo’s.

BTW @Hecatom

Did you have to get used to female leads?? Everytime I try and give it another chance, the female doesn’t cut it for me. I don’t like it, and think its terribad.


I’ll be honest, there are few female fronted metal bands that i like, dunno if is that the majority of them tend to gravitate on gothic metal, but man, the many of them sound barely inspired for my liking :looney:
I don’t think that i get used to them, is just a thing of the sound clicking with me.
For example i love Diablo Swing Orchestra, UneXpect, Epica & Akphaezya, i also like something like Theatres Des Vampires but now if you put me something like Amaranthe, while it is easy to hear it, it also ends tiring after a while, of course it doesn’t help that it sounds very Pop’ish :rofl:


Also, not every trash metal sounds like punk man