I made a thread about meaty attacks versus invincible moves and roll cancels recently. Instead of deciding to have an actual adult discussion, all you cool srk forum readers decided to dismiss me as a “cock-sucking idiot” instead.
Well, just to let everybody know… I found the answer to my questions that caused me to make the thread in the first place.
Not all special moves commonly believed to have total body invincibility have total body invincibility.
Sagat’s HP tiger uppercut may have 7 of invincible frames, but none of those frames occur below his upper body. If anybody remembers the first match example I cited in the other thread, I know for sure now Yun (heck, any character’s) meaty d.LK will ALWAYS beat a wakeup HP tiger uppercut. If Sagat used MP or LP however, then oh well…
Next try the meaty Bison slide test against C-Sakura. Have Sakura do any of her wakeup level 3 supers (two which have 22 frames of invincibility) with reversal timing. Sakura trades?! wtf… stupid random fucking CvS2 right? Actually, no, not really. Turns out the invincibility for any of Sakura’s supers is only above the waist.
I was looking closer at my CvS2 book earlier and I noticed some Chinese words next to the number data for invincibility frames. Tested some stuff out in training and now everything is clear.
After some quick experimentation* (after finding out the above knowledge), I’ve concluded…
All roll canceled attacks, however, DO have total body invincibility
Sakura RC fireball will beat Bison slide cleanly. The timing is just ridiculously hard (ie. probably not worth the risk in tourney). I should of listened to my gut the first time the people I play with brought up the fact that wakeup RC’s might not totally be invincible.
What really disappoints me though, is the reason behind meaty attacks beating “invincible” moves thing. I’m only finding something like this out now because I bought some stupid book? To all the good players who must be too good to post here… Thanks for the heads up guys :).
*various moves used to test stuff:
-bison meaty slide
-chun meaty s.MP
-cammy meaty far s.HP
-sak wakeup rc fireball
-blanka wakeup rc eletricity
-balrog wakeup rc headbutt and dash punch