what’s the joystick motion for standing fierce into super with N Ken?
Sorry, the combo should read as: Cross up AH, c.FK, Super 8 hits
ok, how do you not get a fireball to come out instead?
Timing is the key.
Ex. c.Jab, DF + .Jab, F, Jab, D, DF + P 8 hits (21300 pts)I’m SURE it’s possible now.
I’m sorry for the confusion but I had to be sure.
I’m using AE training mode, Gief as dummy.
The timing is similar to that of dic’s 10 hit combos.
Jump in FP, st.FP, Super 22500 pts. Pretty easy once you get the timing down.
I think you can do a similar “cheat” that Ryu can use to do his super, though both of these have to start with a jumping attack, not from the ground.
Jump at your opponent, do a fireball motion as you hit them with a punch (fierce) in the air, then after you land do a standing fierce followed by a fireball. Tada, standing fierce into super.
Alternatively, you can just do a standing fierce, then crank out the super motion quickly, and you can probably get it to land, but you need some skills for that.
D, D/F, F, slight pause, neutral+Fierce, D, D/F+punch.
It’s actually not that hard. The trick to it is getting that pause just right. Pause too short and you’ll get a fireball; pause too long and you won’t be able to do the super. Gotta get it just right.
Ryu’s st.Fierce xx super is a lot harder for some reason, despite the fact that it’s only one input longer than Ken’s. (Ryu has to follow through all the way to towards on the second QCF. Ken can stop at D/F.)
Ryu’s combo : (c.opp.) Cross up RK, f + FP, st. FP, super; is pretty easy. For some reason getting the timing down for ken’s jump in fp, st.FP, super took me longer to learn. Hmm…I still don’t understand why?
Good stuff. So how do you kara cancel jab into a hadoken, and can you kara cancel the jab into any speed hadoken, or just jab hadoken?
You can cancel any speed hadouken with short or jab which shortens the revovery time. Dn, dn + twds + jab/short, twds + P
^^ Thanks, great information BTW. Does this mean that if you throw a kara cancelled jab hadoken from full screen against ST Ryu and he throws a Shinkuu haodken in anticipation, that you can now block the super? One of the hardest things for me during a Ryu vs Ken matchup is that he bosses the fireball war, and when he gets super, you cannot throw a fireball period because otherwsie he supers you for free.
It will shorten the fireball by a couple frames. It will help a little teeny tiny bit from fullscreen, but… naw, you’re pretty much screwed.
Who’s the number 1 N.ken player? I would like to see some match vids. Thanks
Bad & good match-ups with N.Ken
I was wondering what N.Ken’s bad and good match-ups were. If anybody could help me with this I would appreciate it alot. Thanks.
Thanks for moving my thread to this one, this is good stuff here. I would say that the no.1 n.Ken player in the world would be Ani-Ken. If anybody would like to correct me on this then please do but ive seen match vids of his and he is amazing with him.
Another really good Ken player is M-tsun, the purple Ken player. I really like his style, even more fun to watch than Aniken, although I agree that Aniken is probably the better player.
As for hard match=ups, I find the greatest difficutly against Ryu and Sagat. These guys dominate the fireball war and in certain respects it’s case of “anything you can do, they can do better.” Ryu can be really dangerous as when he has super, even if he is full screen, if you throw a fireball, on reaction he can throw his and get you.
Good matchups? IMO Dictator is a good match-up, his lack of reversal (barring super) means that if you knock him down, you can jump in for free and set up Knee Bash mindgames. He also does not a particulary strong anti-sir, even his Jumping MP can easily beaten with a Air Hurricane.
Thanks for the player names (now I know what vids to start watching).
Does anyone know if it’s possible to connect c.Foward, Outside Crescent (F,D/F,D+K), Shoryureppa (7 hits). I can connect it all and the frame data for ken’s outside crescent kick confirm that it’s possible (there are 8 non hitting frames at end of the special kick). I tried for an hour last night trying to start the special at the right time to super.
Getting in There
A really good method for getting in on opp. is to use the fireball, tatsumaki. I’ve always had a hard time getting in on sim and sagat. A great method for sim is to throw a fierce firball and follow up with a short tatsumaki. You can continue this and mix it up with jab srk’s. For sagat the main thing is to not jump in b/c of his excellent anti-air attacks. You can use the same method for him except use the short tatsumaki’s to float over low tiger shots and then use jab srk’s to float through high tiger shots. Juice kicks are useful if used sparringly against sagat. Always use c.foward into inside crescent kicks to play mix up games. This has helped me out tremendously and I hope it helps others.
Bump… This is such a great thread, I was searching on how to combo kens super and found it. I remeber reading it almost a year ago.
I wanted to bump it, so those surfing the forum can be reminded of its ‘bad-ass-ness,’ and not let it be lost the the depths of the forums…
It is a must for ppl wanting to learn how to play Ken.
Seeing as you were kind enough to bump the thread, I’ll add a few more things to this thread. If anyone else wants to contribute, please do so!
Knockdown cross-up trick. I have seen M.Tsun on knocking the enemy down doing a juice kick as the opponent is getting up. If you do it right, it crosses up the opponent, hits them meaty to keep you safe and allows you to press home the advantage. It’s a neat trick because if your opponent goes for a reversal, his controls get switched, and because of the way the hurricae comes out, even if they input the reversal the correct way, they still have a large chance of messing it up. If you do this a few times, then you can alternate it by doing the hurricane early so you dont’ cross up. Of course the hard thing is to actually do the Juice Kick, but it’s a nice trick either way.
One other thing, my preffered combo when jumping over a fireball is Hard Punch X RH Hurricane, and Sweep on landing. It’s three hits, knocks down, and is very easy to land, unlike the jump in HP, stand HP, Jab Dragon, which can be hard to land on some characters (e.g. Ryu).
Once again Golden-Gunman you do deliver. What are your personal feelings about Fierce x RH hurricane, and knee bash when landing? Also what about juice kick then right when you land shoryu-reppa?