No combos=bad at this game?


#1

I was recently playing in a endless lobby and out of about 15 matches with these dudes i won 12 and then they booted me then sent me a message asking if i even knew how to play? I’m not gonna lie i don’t rely on combos. I play Sagat and the most i do is a j.hk,c.lk,fireball other than that my offense is very throw heavy and i just hit with pokes here and there. If i miss something when im in close and they counter with an attack i will eat it with a focus attack and keep on the offense. I understand i don’t play like a normal street fighter player let alone Sagat since i don’t spam fireballs. The most i will do is when they are on the ground i with throw one to hit a chip when they get up, throw a slow low shot and then a fast high shot and that’s it. Does this play style make me bad at this game?


#2

Your opponent obviously didnt know how to play the game either, so its ok. About combos, you have to know your bnb’s or you cant compete in the long run. (But it’s possible to play a very very solid Guile for example without combos, but in the long run, you lose against more competent players, if you dont maximize your damage in certain situations, you give up advantage).


#3

“bad at the game” doesn’t mean anything in a vacuum. you can only judge yourself against your available competition. if what you do works against your current competition, you aren’t bad. if you start running into better players and they blow you up, then you reevaluate and figure out what you need to change to beat them.

I think if you are successfully landing a lot of throws in SF4 you are either playing players who aren’t very strong, or online lag is a factor. it’s not really a game with strong throws like ST or 3s.

in any case you should probably track down some online players who can beat you and start playing with them in endless lobbies as much as you can.


#4

Thanks for the input. I am looking to get a stick and sit down and put alot of time into learning combos. i had a stick before and i could usually hit his uppercut,fadc,roundhouse, ultra. with a controller i always do a double dash and lose it.


#5

Controller or stick doesnt matter, I can do the listed thing with any input device. Stick is generally favored and advised, but if you look at players like Smug and snakeeys, they play with standard xbox controllers and are arguable the best players of their characters in the world. So dont think too much about input devides. Just put your time in training mode and learn all about the matchups, and playplayplay


#6

Learn footsies before you bother with combos.
Footsies > Combos.


#7

I will say learn easy combos that work, learn footsies, then come back to optimized combos.

You still gotta know combos otherwise you have to make 4 times as many reads than the other guy.


#8

Your opponents were just salty that they lost, and they too addicted to combo porn.

Nope, Footsies first then combos. Combos are useless unless you can land a hit. The only thing combo training is good for at first is to improve your execution. The most you should bother yourself with at first is a simple 2 hit combo


#9

It’s really not important what order you learn the concepts in as long as you don’t neglect them.


#10

One-two combos are all you need at this level.
Footsies is Street fighter and nothing comes first when trying to learn the game.


#11

As long as you can cancel cr mk and cr mp into fireballs, that’s all you need at beginner level


#12

[quote=“JasonWalraven, post:8, topic:169490”]

Your opponents were just salty that they lost, and they too addicted to combo porn.

Nope, Footsies first then combos. Combos are useless unless you can land a hit. The only thing combo training is good for at first is to improve your execution. The most you should bother yourself with at first is a simple 2 hit combo

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Aka a simple combo. The thing is even with good footsies you need to be able to do some damage or else you will find yourself losing to players you should be out playing.

I’ve done that before in other games and that’s exactly the observation I made. You still need to be able to deal damage if you get the chance.


#13

There is no way to determine if you are good at the game when playing online because you are not actually playing the game when you are playing online.


#14

If you pick a character like Yang and you can’t do combos i’d say that you’re doomed. But as a Sagat player you can get away with it because a lot of your damage comes from anti-airing and playing a solid ground game. Though I think it is essential that you learn how to punish a dp correctly, like c.mp into tiger knee, and fadc into ultra is required as a Sagat player.


#15

Thanks for every ones in put. If anyone is down to jump into an endless battle with me some time and critique my saga that would be cool. My xbox gamer tag is XXXFirestorm


#16

[quote=“LoyalSol, post:12, topic:169490”]

The problem is that is another game, where there were no combos or just 2 or 3 hit combos. In sf4 u NEED at least to be able to start a combo every time you are sure that you are in a frame advantage… because if you are not able to do a combo you will lose a VERY BIG, ENORMOUS advantage, especially if ur challenger can do combos. More damage is never bad, im i wrong? Im sure with some application you will learn very nice combos, i suggest you to start with shoto charachters they usually are easier to learn and to execute, learn your charachter loops maybe watching some tutorials for hints and to see what you can do, then start trying… yes it can take some time to master them you have to be patient :wink:
Then Yes, i think combos are important and thats the main reason why i play this game… to test my skills in doing combos …i feel satisfied when i do some consecutive perfect executions


#17

Combos don’t mean shit if you can’t land a hit that leads to them. Which is where footsies come into play and where a vast majority of your damage comes from.


#18

You don’t need to know combos at all. Debate over.


#19

Footsies don’t mean shit if you can’t covert them into anything meaningful. Combos are a nessisary evil. Combos are the what and the footsies are the how.


#20

They do mean shit because you land damage.

All damage = Meaningful.

And theres more to it than just damage. If you whiff punish everything your opponent does then he’s more likely to make big risks to try and stop you or hesitant to do anything which opens up what you can do to him even more.