Penn State Punishment: Too Harsh, Just Right, Not Harsh Enough?


#1

I’ve been doing alot of reading/listening with regards to what happend and the NCAA (and now Big Ten) with regards to the Sandusky ‘events’.

I’ve been watching people on FB, and was curious about feelings on SRK on the issue.

Me? I’m on the fence. NCAA NEEDED to do something, if they did something ‘light’ it would be compared to other sanctions they’ve placed, and people would say ‘oh so point shaving is worse than child molestation’, but going hard feels like overkill, as Paterno is DEAD, and everyone else who wsa involved on any tangent is no longer there…so its a ‘sins of the father’ sitatuion now.

What are your thoughts?

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#2

I’ve followed it mostly passively. I don’t really understand the point of discounting the wins from the past couple of years other than to further tarnish legacies. Otherwise fuck em. Burn Penn State to the ground! I don’t really sympathize with the goofs who have bought into the Paterno cult of personality and can’t imagine the world without Penn St football, who seem to be the only people they interview in every story about this.


#3

since i dont give a fuck about football at all my i dont have any bias

good for them

people and institutions who harbor and protect child rapists should be punished and hit hard


#4

The fact that PSU’s Head Coach and AD and other staff let child rape happen makes NCAA rules take a back seat.

Personally, I’m surprised the school did not get the death penalty for their football program. Though, with all their restrictions, it might as well be. PSU probably won’t even be good again for like 15 years.


#5

Undeserved IMO. Not justified. Pointless.


#6

Taking away Paterno’s wins was too much. I don’t mind the other punishments, but that’s just too harsh.


#7

i mean everyone that was involved with the coverup is facing legal consequences right? Why do they have to punish the players and the rest of the city if they had nothing to do with it?


#8

I think it is to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Think of all the parents that sent or were going to send their children to that school. Would you want to send your kid to a school where you know that happened? Now, I know that sounds irrational, but a lot of parents think that way. I believe the school had to do it in their best interest to try and save face. Even if it was just on the football program, stuff like that can ruin an entire university’s image. They have to do their best to salvage what they can so they do not go under. It sucks for the students but will probably be better in the long run.


#9

Bill Burr said it best.
“If you are going to take away their wins, you should take away Jesus’ miracles.”


#10

Is likening Penn St football to Jesus really the best way to put it?


#11

The issue is not so much with the team but with Penn State administration. I don’t agree with taking away all the wins away from the players and all the other dozens of people involved with the team. Penn State already has a couple of generation of players that have to deal with the issue of having played for a child predator.

For those not retarded the issue has always been “what the fuck is up with upper management/ why didn’t Paterno pursue it harder.” So taking away the wins is ultimately punishing more poeple that didn’t have to do dick with the situation.


#12

State College (where Penn State is) is somewhat of a small town and the football team helps their economy (draws people into town to watch the game and people spend their money to go eat and whatever). I am on the fence too though. Taking the wins away and not letting them enter the bowl is okay with me. Taking the scholarships is kind of harsh because it affects future students.


#13

Yeah I’m with most of you; pretty much any sanction against the school and program I’m okay with, but making them vacate all those wins seem unnecessary.


#14

(Like fishjie, I’m not really a fan of football, but…)

I have to concur that taking away all those wins seems a bit…draconian, but I ultimately understand. It helps that I don’t really care about the players because of aforementioned apathy towards sports; I don’t even like children, but I’ll take their well-being over football players’.

Honestly, what did people really expect to happen?

Between Mr. Paterno already being dead and the corruption & cover-up being so damn deep & far back and people still understandably being pissed about this entire affair, any punishment that Penn State received had to be big and had make an example of them. However, with Mr. Paterno already being dead, pretty much any “big punishment” that Penn State received would inevitably hurt still-living players far more than the guy who was too cowardly (or at the very least, too lazy) to do anything. So this was a pretty lose-lose for the people who had decide this, at least when it came to something that everyone would be universally satisfied with.

That said, yeah, it’s probably going to cripple the surrounding town, no doubt. However, as long as it helps send a message of what will happen should another school try the same bullshit (which will invariably happen or has already happened, unfortunately), then it will be well worth it.

Besides, it could have been a lot worse still between the fact that they’re allowing people to transfer out if they want to and that they didn’t ban them from playing entirely, among other things.

Considering the way that some people were treating Paterno like he was Jesus when this thing first broke and the way some still are, while it’s probably not the “best” way to put it in logical terms, the utter inappropriateness of analogy is rather apt and fitting for this entire situation.

Also, in before Catholic joke.


#15

Am I wrong for feeling like the whole statement of “making sure the punishment was fit so that this situation would never happen again” doesn’t really make sense given who the parties involved were and probably wouldn’t apply to anyone else in the future?


#16

non of this would be an issue if sports weren’t such a big deal. Honestly I don’t care, but the fact that the sports program (and i repeat, a fucking sports program) is tarnishing and destroying an accredited University is pretty damn pathetic.


#17

yes/no…
It depends on what you think this is aimed at.

Child molestation? I think it completley misses the mark…
Institutions hiding continual unlawful activities instead of doing the right thing? It serves a point then…

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#18

Having lived in the area, I know how much this will hurt the local economy, and with all the fines, Tuition will go up, not to mention the possibility that the state of Pennsylvania pulls the funding.

It’s a whole new program with whole new people, and you are hurting students, the people who live in the area, and the people who make their livelihoods at Penn State. If the death penalty was given, the town would die quickly. The town developed because people came for football. The scholarships, fines, and bowl games will hurt, but that’s not my issue. The NCAA shouldn’t have messed with this, it wasn’t in their jurisdiction. It wasn’t a part of their rules. Maybe a punishment is deserved, but it’s being issued by the wrong people. To quote Sports Illustrated “There is a reason why the IRS doesn’t punish murderers that pay their taxes.”

Morally, the school is in the wrong, but looking at it according to NCAA rules, they are not guilty. This is a form of Ex post facto punishment, and anybody knows that is not acceptable. The founding fathers didn’t even wait for the Bill of Rights to tell us this was unacceptable, it was right in the Constitution.

I do know why they vacated the wins. They are afraid to talk about what happened, and they want people to forget. That’s why they removed the statue as well. I believe it should have remained as a teaching tool. They decided to remove Joe, but the rest of it should have remained. It documented victories by players, it was a tribute to them as well. Forgetting isn’t a solution, people need to know this happened. That’s why we are all taught about the Holocaust, and why many camps remain to show us what has been done so we do not make the same mistakes. Instead of banning the school from Bowl games, they should have required all proceeds from bowl games go to anti-abuse charities. That would have made a larger impact, and showed that they wanted things to get better, not hide them.

You don’t want to talk about the most successful football coach being Joe Paterno, because this will always be brought up and nobody wants to talk about it. So, they made sure he wasn’t the best. But, in doing this, they have Invalidated the hard work of honest students who have done no wrong, the sacrifices they made for the team are gone. What about memorabilia? I’ve got an orange bowl victory mug. Is that now contraband?

I don’t know what will happen in the coming years, but I believe a lot of talented players will transfer and O’Brien will have a hard time assembling a team. He looks to be a promising coach and will hopefully lead Penn State into a new era if he is willing to be patient and work with what he has available. Taking away scholarships was too much, many players had already made housing arrangements on the expectations that they would have scholarships, and I know for a fact that players will not be taking up student loans to go to Penn State if they can get a scholarship elsewhere. It isn’t right that they have to change their locale because somebody else messed up.


#19

The main issue with Sandusky is not a competitive one. The whole problems lies with the universities administration. This isn’t really much of a punishment for them; what this should be is a state wide case into what happened.


#20

I am a current student and like many of you stated while I do feel a punishment was deserved, I think this one affects the students and residents more than the school itself really.

Sucks; because of the action of a few in the top, the people at the bottom feel it the worst.