Persona 4: The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena


#3651

I didn’t hesitate to book a flight to Vegas and a room in the Paris the moment this game was confirmed for EVO. It’ll be my first!

I’ve also been in the lab all this week getting ready for a local tournament (and Final Round qualifier!) this weekend. Everyone else’s sloth is my gain.


#3652

THATS THE SPIRIT!

Speaking of that…I should probably plan out some Vacation Days now…


#3653

Got back on the grind and hit S rank last night ^^ idk if I should feel good because I keep running into B-A ranks that autocombo for every confirm --


#3654

To be fair, sometimes if you get too mash happy you start going into the autocombo anyway, and a lot of people will just say “screw it”, instead of by the 3rd hit of it, backing off so they don’t do it.


#3655

I’m talking like they’ll land a clean hit with the chance for some good damage, and then just autocombo every time. I’ll play against an A Mitsuru who’s like 90-10 that only knows they have a reversal and autocombo. I have no idea how that happens. Almost every character can take a 5AA and get a better convert than autocombo with time to confirm, but people still autocombo. there’s no excuse for that.


#3656

Oh, I getcha, yeah. I mean…admittedly I’d think they would have to have at least learned some basic challenge combos. Though, that being said, isn’t your rank more based on games played?


#3657

Since you can rank down past C you have to be somewhat consistent with winning. Idk if it’s a bug or ratio thing or people are just not accepting good matches.


#3658

I don’t know, my win/loss record is quite possibly one of the most embarrassing things ever, and I’m somehow at C.


#3659

Well, once you hit C you can’t rank down lower than C, but if you go higher and lose you’ll get bumped back down again.


#3660

Ahh, alright. That explains why I’m not back to E again then, lol.


#3661

The way the ranking system works is you have to win some consecutive number of matches against players either in your rank, or one rank above or below it (so an A rank has to win some consecutive amount of matches against B+, A or A+ players). Beating players way above your rank doesn’t help you rank up in any way.

If you lose a certain amount of matches more than you are winning, you can derank…and it doesn’t have to be consecutive matches lost and it doesn’t matter what the rank of the player is that beat you.

It’s a pretty bad design that can easily be exploited.


#3662

There’s also the fact that a lot of the better players that bothered with ranked are now mostly S or above. Back when the game released (and for about a month after that), you could still find plenty of good players around B~A rank.

Since they’ve all moved higher (or don’t play ranked at all, or used to but don’t anymore), the vast majority of the remaining people aren’t as good. So there’s more room for people who honestly aren’t all that good to get all the way up to A. The ranking is really just another way of displaying win rate: it doesn’t account for how good you are or how good the people you beat were, only how often you won in general. The way it’s structured, you can’t use it as a measure of skill at all.


#3663

I’m not so sure; I think you have to be pretty decent to make it to MASTER at least. There’s some truth to what you’re saying, but in the end a top ranked player has at least shown the ability to outperform the majority of people most of the time (hence the >50% winrate necessary to climb in rank).


#3664

This scrub janne-da-arc24, is Master rank:

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This is how he plays vs. everone, mash R-action and B raging lion all day. This guy also ragequit on me in ranked…and he has 9000 matches played.


#3665

Y’know, if he’s that absolutely awful, then I’d hate to think of your opinion of the guy who lost to him 3 times in a row.


#3666

Yolo Narukami shenanigans is a common sight online. Rank holds little weight to actual skill. Treat a F Rank player the same way you treat a SS player(Unless they request to go easy because they are beginners). You never know if they play offline and don’t bother with the near dead Rank Online. Most of the activity is at the Player Lobbies anyway


#3667

I think his opponent was better actually…more composed, understood how to apply the Yu oki atleast. That said, he got mashed out of a lot of things and just wasn’t ready for that…both players played pretty bad but I think if his opponent just calmed down a bit, he would have beaten janne.


#3668

That may be so, but unfortunately understanding oki and that doesn’t mean much if your defense is lacking. Like, sure I know the oki and how to attack, but I have a bad tendency to press buttons when on defense and get hit by stuff or sometimes even wakeup DP. So sure, having proper attack is nice, but to be a complete player you really have to have good defense too.


#3669

Well the reason I mentioned it is that janne-da-arc has 9000 matches played but very recently asked(on gamefaqs) why he should do Yu oki and how to do it. That’s disturbing to me for someone who’s played that many matches and is supposedly “Master Rank”.

Anyway he is an extreme case but still, there are many fraudulent high rank players out there and it’s pretty easy to take advantage of the flaws in this ranking system.


#3670

Heavy uses of Big Gambles and variations of raw ground/air raging lions is the new Narukami tech that the people must embrace. Izanagi Oki is such a hassle and not reckless enough for the ideal Narukami player