Rose (Mis)fortunes: The Rose Match-up Poll

rose

#1

Smashingme started a good idea on the Rose match-up thread: post your view on the Rose-matchups. It already provided some consensus, and some discussion on several matchups.
The idea is that the more input we get, the more reliable it should become. I’m willing to merge and average all input you guys give to get the broad view on things. Of course, the scores are never final, as tier-charts tend to score at the highest level of play and that differs greatly for different levels.

I would aim at an ‘experienced level’ of Rose play, against people with experience with their char. Not top-level, that would be hard to get from this forum, but a decent level at least. The way I will try to reach that goal is:

  • add weight to voters who are known to be reliable (say, if Luffy would answer I would count at least double)
  • remove the highest and lowest votes for each char (to erase extreme opinions that are likely to stray the average)
  • remove votes that can not be regarded as well-funded

These are selecive and subjective, and my opinion may heavily influence. But I will consider all votes that are reasonable.

To make it easier for me I will script the count, so I propose following format:
**

  • a ‘+’ for each half point advantage
  • a ‘-’ for each half point disadvantage
  • a ‘x’ for equals matchups
  • nothing if you don’t have an opinion on the matchup**

So a 6-4 advantage Rose-makoto wouldbe written as:



makoto: ++


and a 4.5 disadvantage against Bison would become:



bison: -


and a 5-5 against Ryu would be:



ryu: x


Please copy-paste following template to input your scores:



abel: 
adon: 
akuma: 
balrog: 
blanka: 
c.viper: 
cammy: 
chun: 
cody: 
dan: 
deejay: 
dhalsim: 
dudley: 
e.honda: 
el fuerte: 
fei long: 
gen: 
gouken: 
guile: 
guy: 
hakan: 
ibuki: 
juri: 
ken: 
m.bison: 
makoto: 
rose: 
rufus: 
ryu: 
sagat: 
sakura: 
seth: 
t.hawk:
vega: 
zangief: 


If succesful I will try to get the view on the other forum as well, to see who agrees to disagree.

My input (which i will weight low :)) will follow in the next post as an example


#2

abel: x
adon: -
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: +
c.viper:
cammy: x
chun: -
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: +
dhalsim: –
dudley: +
e.honda: –
el fuerte: -
fei long: -
gen: +
gouken: +
guile: x
guy: +
hakan: ++
ibuki: +
juri: +
ken: +
m.bison: -
makoto: ++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: +
sagat: +
sakura: ++
seth: -
t.hawk: ++
vega: x
zangief: x


#3

abel: ++
adon: x
akuma:++++
balrog: –
blanka: x
c.viper: x
cammy: ----
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: ++
dhalsim: x
dudley: ++
e.honda: ----
el fuerte: x
fei long: ----
gen: ++
gouken:++
guile: x
guy: ++++
hakan: ++
ibuki: ++
juri: ++
ken: x
m.bison:–
makoto: ++++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: –
sagat: x
sakura: ++
seth: x
t.hawk:++++
vega: x
zangief:x


#4

abel: x
adon: -
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: +
c.viper: +
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: +
dan: ++
deejay: +
dhalsim: –
dudley: +
e.honda: -
el fuerte: x
fei long: -
gen: +
gouken: ++
guile: -
guy: +
hakan: ++
ibuki: +
juri: +
ken: x
m.bison: –
makoto: ++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: +
sakura: ++
seth: -
t.hawk: ++
vega: x
zangief: x


#5

I’ll update with some distribution graphs when more of these come in, looking good already :slight_smile:


#6

abel: +
adon: x
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: ++
c.viper: ++
cammy: ----
chun: ++
cody: ?
dan: ?
deejay: ++
dhalsim: —
dudley: –
e.honda: ----
el fuerte: ++
fei long: –
gen: ?
gouken: ?
guile: ++++
guy: ++
hakan: ?
ibuki: —
juri: ----
ken: –
m.bison: —
makoto: ++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: -
sagat: -
sakura: +++
seth: ?
t.hawk: ?
vega: -
zangief: —


#7

abel: x
adon: x
akuma: ++
balrog: –
blanka: x
c.viper: +
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: +++
deejay: +
dhalsim: x
dudley: x
e.honda: –
el fuerte: ++
fei long: x
gen: ++
gouken: ++
guile: x
guy: ++
hakan: ++
ibuki: x
juri:x
ken: +
m.bison: -
makoto: ++
rose: +
rufus: -
ryu: +
sagat: x
sakura: ++
seth: x
t.hawk:++
vega: x
zangief:x


#8

abel: +
adon: +
akuma: +
balrog: –
blanka: x
c.viper: ++
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: x
dan: ?
deejay: +
dhalsim: -
dudley: x
e.honda: -
el fuerte: ?
fei long: -
gen: ?
gouken: x
guile: ++
guy: ++
hakan: +++
ibuki: +
juri: +
ken: x
m.bison: —
makoto: +++
rose: xxx
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: x
sakura: +
seth: -
t.hawk: ++
vega: x
zangief: -


#9

abel: x
adon: x
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: -
c.viper: ++
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: x
dhalsim: –
dudley: +
e.honda: -
el fuerte: ++
fei long: x
gen: x
gouken: x
guile: ++
guy: ++
hakan: x
ibuki: x
juri: ++
ken: x
m.bison: -
makoto: ++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: ++
sagat: x
sakura: +
seth: x
t.hawk: +
vega: -
zangief: x


#10

abel: x
adon: -
akuma: +
balrog: -
blanka: x
c.viper: +
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: x
dan: +
deejay: +
dhalsim: x
dudley: +
e.honda: +
el fuerte: ++
fei long: -
gen: +
gouken: +
guile: +
guy: +
hakan: +
ibuki: -
juri: x
ken: -
m.bison: x
makoto: +
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: -
sakura: x
seth: +
t.hawk: +
vega: x
zangief: x


#11

abel: ++
adon: x
akuma: x (depending on playstyle)
balrog: x (only because I’ve experienced both sides many times)
blanka: +
c.viper: -
cammy: +
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: x
dhalsim: +
dudley: x (never played)
e.honda: ++
el fuerte: +
fei long: x
gen: x (never played)
gouken: +
guile: +
guy: x
hakan: ++
ibuki: -
juri: +
ken: x
m.bison: -
makoto: ++
rose: x
rufus: x
ryu: +
sagat: +
sakura: ++
seth: -
t.hawk: ++
vega: x
zangief: -


#12

abel: x
adon: x
akuma: x
balrog: -
blanka: -
c.viper: +
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: ++
dhalsim: x
dudley: ++
e.honda: –
el fuerte: +
fei long: -
gen: x
gouken: x
guile: x
guy: +
hakan: +
ibuki: x
juri: x
ken: x
m.bison: –
makoto: ++
rose: (+/- lol ^_^) x
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: -
sakura: +
seth: —
t.hawk: ++
vega: x
zangief: x


#13

abel: +
adon: x
akuma: -
balrog: ------
blanka: x
c.viper: +++
cammy: –
chun: x
cody: x
dan: x
deejay: x
dhalsim: x
dudley: ++
e.honda: ++
el fuerte: ++++
fei long: x
gen: x
gouken: +
guile: ++
guy: ++++
hakan: x
ibuki: ++++
juri: +
ken: +
m.bison: —
makoto: +
rose: +++++++ (lol for me rofl) = x
rufus: —
ryu: x
sagat: –
sakura: +
seth: +
t.hawk: ++
vega: —
zangief: x


#14

Ok thanks already for the input, currently the results are:

RUFUS 4
BALROG 4.1
M.BISON 4.1
CAMMY 4.3
E.HONDA 4.4

DHALSIM 4.6
FEI LONG 4.6
ADON 4.8
SETH 4.8
VEGA 4.8
ZANGIEF 4.8
SAGAT 4.9

CHUN 5
KEN 5
ROSE 5

BLANKA 5.1
IBUKI 5.1
RYU 5.1
ABEL 5.2
AKUMA 5.2
JURI 5.3
GEN 5.4
GUILE 5.4
DEEJAY 5.5
DUDLEY 5.5
GOUKEN 5.5
C.VIPER 5.6
CODY 5.6
EL FUERTE 5.6
HAKAN 5.7
SAKURA 5.7
GUY 5.8
DAN 5.9
T.HAWK 5.9

I didnt weight yet as most votes seemed legit. I did remove lowest and highest vote for each matchup so that extremes did not scew the averages.

Please provide more inputs! :slight_smile:

I’m also playing with the idea to make a webapp to input scores. With this I could calculate automatically (now I have a script but still need to copy/paste and correct input errors). And I culd do it on every character forum, providing a complete SRK community tierlist (with the benefit that I always ask people who main their chars)


#15

Lowest number of votes: Gen with 8 votes
Highest number of votes: more then 70% with 11 votes

major advantage matchups 11
minor advantage matchups 8
even matchups 3
minor disadvtrange matchups 7
major disadvantage matchups 5

Rose ‘tier ranking’ according to Rose forum: 13th to 15th place


#16

Some of you guys should review your answers more carefully if you’re serious. I remember seeing a + in someone’s for vs Rose, which i imagine was meant for another character :lol:

Also, really, 8:2s aren’t in this game, and imo Rose isn’t involved in any 7:3 situations. By putting that down, Acku is counting your vote out anyway, so think a little bit about it and concern yourself more with what the characters can do and not so much that x player is beating you.


#17

abel: x
adon: +
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: -
c.viper: +
cammy: -
chun: x
cody: +
dan: ++
deejay: +
dhalsim: -
dudley: x
e.honda: –
el fuerte: x
fei long: x
gen: ++
gouken: +
guile: +
guy: +++
hakan: +++
ibuki: –
juri: ++
ken: x
m.bison: –
makoto: +++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: -
sakura: ++
seth: x
t.hawk: +++
vega: -
zangief: x


#18

abel: x
adon: +
akuma: x
balrog: —
blanka: –
c.viper: x
cammy: —
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: ++
dhalsim: -
dudley: ++
e.honda: -
el fuerte: ++
fei long: x
gen: +++
gouken: ++
guile: x
guy: ++
hakan: +++
ibuki: +
juri: +
ken: x
m.bison: -
makoto: +++
rose: x
rufus: —
ryu: x
sagat: +
sakura: ++
seth: x
t.hawk: +++
vega: x
zangief: x


#19

the only one I overexaggerated was balrog.

All my other match ups were serious.


#20

abel: x
adon: x
akuma: x
balrog: –
blanka: –
c.viper: ++
cammy: –
chun: x
cody: ++
dan: ++
deejay: +
dhalsim: —
dudley: +
e.honda: –
el fuerte: +
fei long: x
gen: x
gouken: x
guile: +++
guy: +
hakan: x
ibuki: +
juri: ++
ken: x
m.bison: –
makoto: +++
rose: x
rufus: –
ryu: x
sagat: x
sakura: +
seth: x
t.hawk: +
vega: –
zangief: x