I’ve got a few questions:
I’ve been pottering about in Training Mode with Ryu, and in between doing some combo practice and testing, I decided to try out that Crush Counter Sweep into Guard Crush thingy. I’m doing it like this:
Cr. HK at max/far range (Crush Counter) xx V Trigger -> Whiffed St. MP -> Charge Hadouken, Release -> Guard Crush
Anyway, I’ve been testing a few responses that the opponent can do on wake-up to fight back against the Charged Hadouken. Some characters like Ryu, Ken, and Gief don’t need meter to punish, but some characters like Chun-Li and Vega seem to. R. Mika and Laura seem to need a full super to punish it. Dhalsim can just teleport away like nothing happened. Anyway, here are my questions:
1. Is it possible to V-Reversal a Charged Hadouken or Denjin Hadouken? I don’t think it is. I think the last hit, the one that causes Guard Crush, cannot be broken out of. Because it ends the state of being in blockstun, I suppose.
2. Has anyone done any thorough testing of this set-up? Because I don’t trust myself to be too thorough, I’ve probably made a fair few mistakes and oversights in my testing (poor meaty fireball timing, may have missed out on testing certain reversal options, etc.).
3. Once the opponent is Guard Crushed, what is the best damage follow-up? Bear in mind that Ryu won’t necessarily be point-blank. I think F + HP into Heavy DP is good, it’s easy to do and it does 134 damage (the Guard Crush state scales any follow-up attacks down to 60%).
If anyone’s interested, here’s my list so far of what seem like consistent reversal options in this situation. Basically, it’s just a list of characters who have projectile-invincible reversals to a certain degree. Might be useful in the four match-ups at the bottom, as those characters will take some extra guaranteed damage off a CC Sweep if they don’t have a full meter. But take it with a grain of salt because, I’ll admit, I’m not a terribly methodical person. If there’s any false info in here or I’ve missed something out, please tell me:
Characters who can use meterless Reversals:
Ryu (MP/EX Shoryuken, Super may trade)
Ken (MP/EX Shoryuken, Super)
Cammy (MK/HK/EX Cannon Spike, EX Hooligan Combination, Super)
Necalli (HP/EX Raging Light, Super)
Zangief (Double Lariat, V Trigger, Super. Super will whiff if Ryu does Cr. HK at max range, then walks back a short distance after V Trigger activation. Double Lariat will still clip Ryu’s hurtbox. Don’t try doing this shit against Gief, basically)
Dhalsim (All versions of Yoga Teleport, Super)
Characters who have to use EX Reversals:
Chun-Li (EX Spinning Bird Kick, Super)
Vega (EX Rolling Crystal Flash, Super)
Rashid (EX Spinning Mixer, Super. Need to move Super forward or it won’t hit)
Karin (EX Ressenha, Super)
Bison (EX Devil’s Reverse, Super)
F.A.N.G. (EX Nihankyaku, Super)
Characters who can only use Reversal Super:
R. Mika (Super)
Anyway, I’mma stop obsessing over this for now, time to practice other stuff.