Sellers/traders Read This Now, Very Important! updated FEB 1st

NO BURNED MEDIA WHATSOEVER!!! i dont care if it’s from your hard drive and you say there is no copyright.


you wanna sell burned media take it to ebay and see how long you last before you get banned there. dont do it here, dont argue with me about it!

PAYPAL does not cover online virtual items for example World of Warcraft items.

SELLING: when you are SELLING something post prices. I dont want to see “plz pm offers” or “how much are people willing to pay for it” cuz no one cares and it ends up being spam. this way we’ll at least know what kinds of prices you are looking for.
The only thread i see that is acceptable with no prices is if you want to get rid of stuff and say something like “just go ahead offer me prices i dont really know what the value is and i’m trying to just get rid of it”. that would be acceptable.

**TRADING:**if you are making a TRADING thread ALLLLWWWAAYYYSSS post what you are looking for in the trade.

DESCRIPTION OF ITEMS: this is a big deal! from srk alone i’ve traded at least once or twice where people tell me the game is in good condition/no scratches and it comes in super scratched up. i’ve even received a game cracked with no previous information of this. I want EVERYONE to do a good description of their items as much as you possibly can. even if you are selling/trading gba games and a piece of the cover is torn off, say so.

  • Jack buys a game from Bob. Bob says it’s near mint condition/very light to no scratches. Jack receives the game and has heavy scratches. If Jack can prove to me with pics, Bob will need to refund jack full price including shipping!

PACKAGING: if you are trading/selling electronics (which is highly likely here) package these things so that it has enough bubble wrap/peanuts/newspaper. I dont care what you use just pack it good so if it’s dropped it does no harm. I received a gamecube yesterday that was just in a box with no packaging at all. it was just thrown in in a box and came to my house damaged.

  • and since we are on the subject of packaging… let’s say for example Jack bought a gamecube from Bob. Jack gets the gamecube but the gamecube does not work upon arrival because of poor packaging/ lack of packaging. If Jack can post pics of how the package is and it does show that it is poorly packaged, I will make BOB give Jack a full refund!


  1. always send merchandise with a confirmation number (.60 cents).

  2. you poor like me? use newspaper for shipping supplies instead of peanuts and bubble sheets.

any questions, suggestions, comments how much you hate asians you can post here or pm me.

Mail Fraud F.A.Q.

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  1. I think I have been ripped off. What should I do?
    Go to any of the mail fraud sites listed below to file a complaint. I suggest filing for as many as you can.
  2. When should I file for mail fraud?
    If you have sent out numerous e-mails regarding your payment being received and/or item being sent and never received the item/e-mail within a 15-20 days from the date you shipped the item/payment, send out ONE LAST e-mail informing them that you will take action if they do not respond to your e-mails. If after 2-3 days of no response, start to file for mail fraud. The faster you file the mail fraud, the faster you will get what is owed to you.
  3. The other party responds to my e-mails, but keeps giving me excuses and/or the run around. What should I do?
    It’s more than likely they just trying to buy more time. If they reply to your e-mails but keeps telling you that it will be shipped soon, over and over, notify them that you will be filing for mail fraud. File for mail fraud as soon as possible. Especially with PayPal and their 30-day policy (see FAQ #6). If you keep on letting them buy more time, they’ll just keep giving you that same answer over and over until either the PayPal 30-day complaint is over, or if you forget about it and give up trying to get the item.
  4. What do I need when I file a complaint?
    Most of the time it’s a win-win situation if you have most, if not all of the following…
    You will need the following contact information of the other party:

Phone Number (if available)
You will need any of the following proof and/or evidence: (the more the better)

Email and/or Instant Message conversations
Proof of shipment of item
Proof of payment (Credit Card Bill, Check Statements, PayPal, Receipts, etc.)
5. I paid for something online with a credit card, money order, check or cash and I never received the item. What should I do?
If you paid with credit card, notify the credit card company, and inform them of the situation. Tell them you want to dispute the charge, and they will investigate.
If you paid with a money order, you can go back to the place you bought the money order from or call the number that is on the receipt stub from the money order and have them do a ‘stop payment’. What ‘stop payment’ does is, it prevents the person from cashing it in. But if the money order has been cashed already, there is nothing that can be done, unless you file for mail fraud. Also, the receipt stub that was on the money order can also be used as proof of payment, as well as proof of them cashing it when they track the money order.
If you paid with a check, its similiar to a money order. You can do a ‘stop payment’. If the check has been cashed, there is nothing that can be done, unless you file for mail fraud. If the check has been cashed, you can ask your bank for a bank statement concerning the check. This will be used as proof that the person cashed your check.
If you paid in cash, this will be harder as there is no proof/receipt that you sent it. So, send at your own risk.
6. I ordered something online using PayPal. What should I do?
PayPal’s policy is that, you have 30-days to file a complaint. If after 30-days, you are out of luck. If you have not received a response and/or item within 20-days, file a complaint with PayPal. If by any chance, you do receive the item, you can cancel the complaint with PayPal. If the other party is at fault, PayPal will recover whatever money is owed to you, IF the money is in the other party’s account. If there is no money in the account, there is nothing that can be done unless you used your credit card on PayPal to pay for the item (see FAQ #5).
7. Does there have to be a certain value before I can file for mail fraud?
No. It’s not the cost and/or value of the item, inorder for you to file for mail fraud. It’s the principle. You can file for mail fraud whether your lost or the item costs, $5.00, $100.00, or even $1,000.00. Mail fraud is a crime and a federal offense. Legal action can be taken against the the other party if they are found guilty if they do not return what is owed to the respectful ower.
8. When is it a good time to send out an item once I have received payment from buyer via PayPal?
There have been instances where a seller has sold an item (most of the time expensive items) to a buyer, whether it be a hard to find game, cellphone, systems, electronics, etc., and a couple days later, the payment was reversed. Most of the time, the payment is reversed due to stolen credit cards, stolen bank account information or just plain scam.

Most sellers ship the item the next day after receiving the payment. Its good to be quick on shipping, but its also bad. If the payment was a scam/reversed, it takes PayPal 1-day to find out, email you and reverse the payment (2 days max…but rarely). Once payment is reversed, PayPal will do an investigation to see if it indeed was a fraudulent payment. If you’re lucky to read the email before it is sent out, than you’ve saved yourself from losing an item. If not, and the package is already on the way to the scammer, go back to the place where you shipped the package and request it back do to an investigation and fraudulent payment.
Best suggestion is to:

Ship item 2-3 business days after you have received the payment. This will give you enough time to see if there is problems with the payment.
Overseas countries are places to watch out for. Those are where most scammers are located and are hard to get back your item once its shipped. Some countries are:
Send package with Delivery Confirmation. This will show the tracking of the package, proof of shipment and proof of arrival to buyer. This is a major factor when it comes to providing proof of shipment.
9. I have a question but its not mentioned above. Can you help me?
Sure. Just post your question and I will gladly try to help you answer any of your questions you might have.
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Well Said:tup:

well i have an idea that i’d say especially most of the veteran sellers/traders here would like.

i know you guys cant change the title but when you update stuff and would like me to update your thread title once in a while i dont have a problem with that.

just let me know:tup:

You Tell Them Mr. MAN! lol:karate:

imma update a bunch of stuff on trading, selling, and descriptions later tonight.

some things need to be straighten out better.

The only question I have is how you plan to enforce the full penalties you’ve guaranteed. How can you “make” someone refund the money?

hey AL, i post in a local forum and we got this itrader rating system, and wondering if srk can have something like it.

I know we have a user feedback but i think posts get deleted like after a month.

all i can do is tell them to refund money as the other person basicly needs to claim paypal.

other than that i can get a guide in the next 24 hours how to file for mail fraud and i will add the faq on here.

mail fraud faq updated. this is credited to iazybandit from another site.

that’s a very good question. but srk wont do it because they basicly have to change the whole system to do something like that. and since this is not a trading site, something like that wont fly here.

but yes i’ve definitely suggested something like this a while ago.

thats not a trading site, its just a local forum from houston that happens to have a trading outlet forum just like here, and i taught it was just a simple vb code that had to be put, but yeah something like that would’ve being great:wgrin:

i’m going to completely make a new guide for things like mail fraud and paypal tips in the next few days :slight_smile:

it’ll be very detailed.

y cant we by modded systems!? ;-;

it’s legally ambiguous

the guys who run srk don’t want to get into trouble because some shmuck is selling a modded system with burned games included.

there are better outlets for modded stuff anyway. i’d rather buy from an accredited retailer online than some anonymous con on a message board.

well said mr.fantastic.

arent ppl that list their items as ebay listed in violation of the 1st rule? you make want to check what ppl do

yea, when i see it i change their title to make sure it states ON EBAY. right now ebay auctions are ok to post here but i think in the near future i’m just gonna cut it off since it usually doesn’t benefit anyone here.