Super Smash Bros. General - Patience and Spacing....or Whine and Moan


Zero Suit Samus is faster than Sheik. Faster run speed, better jump AND moves faster in the air.


i’m more scared of ZSS than sheik. Same with rosalina.


Dood, believe me, I have the same question lol! I actually play her too aggressively sometimes and don’t use Luma enough (Mood pointed this out when we played, thus I’ve been working Luma in more lately).

Even stranger is in the full match, D3 KO’d me first at *65%. *I literally had to play hit and run to avoid losing.

Rosalina is one of those characters that can do no right now, all because of a few sets all the way back at APEX 2015 (which to me were entertaining but you know, I;m weird, I like footsies and zoning and stuff).


I thought they had identical run speed?

Nope. ZSS is in fact slightly faster.
The do have the same walk speed though.


Nope. ZSS is faster in regards to movement, both in the air and on the ground. The only thing that’s identical is their walkspeed.


If you’ve got the frame data, you can do comparisons for moves as well


ZSS is perfectly fine. No nerfs necessary.


ZSS doesn’t have retarded ass, lagless aerials and an unfuckwithable projectile, nor does she have a ridiculous recovery or fast ass grab.

So her speed is not an issue.


PA wants ZSS buffs so he can win =)


While checking various movement speeds, also noticed something here:

Mewtwo has the third fastest air speed now. That isn’t so surprising.

Roy has the fourth fastest. ROY. Just… what?


You crossed the line Po. This is complaining about Sheik, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I have also screencapped the evidence, so you can’t get away with it:


You will be keeping your av for an extra week; until 12/12, to be precise. I recommend a penalty in the league if he does not comply this time.


her aerials are pretty lagless. no they aren’t as low as sheik’s but it’s not far behind. her projectile is scary as fuck as it allows almost any follow up. her grab maybe slow, but that range is nothing to scoff at. you can’t roll away from it like sheik. her recovery is just about as ridiculous as sheik’s. she has stupid KO power on top of her crazy speed and set ups. at least sheik has a hard time KOing and mostly has to rely on reads to get those KOs


At most tweak the top tiers a little bit but nerfs usually mean less fun. Just make the other characters more fun.


She doesn’t need buffs either. She’s perfectly fine.




ZSS is the most polarizing character in the game…



Shut up, nigga :rofl:. You love that word.


Yeah yeah, I know, but I can only threaten so much with this leash I have.


but it’s true. she’s more reason than sheik that a lot of the characters aren’t viable. she’s a zoning character’s worst match-up (most of the time).