Super Street Fighter II Turbo, in the house


#3987

Is it a thing in the Jap Fightcade rom?


#3988

No. All four Super Turbo arcade roms (World/Asia, North America/Europe, South America, and Japan) have access to the main character glitches: Honda/Chun storable super and ochio, Vega storable upkicks, First frame attacks connecting on characters blocking 50% of the time (mostly only useful to O.Ryu/O.Ken) and Ken/Sagat/Sim not being able to reversal super. Japan rom has the Gief neutral jumping headbutt causing instant stun, the World rom has the O.Gief HK Suplex reversal glitch, and the US rom (and maybe others??) has the O.Honda throw freeze glitch.


#3989

So that’s what happened. I was playing as O Honda and he just froze in his throw animation kinda like Guile’s statue in World Warrior. This happened like 8 or 9 years ago


#3990

I’ve encountered the O.Honda throw freeze glitch on Japanese and American boards, not sure about the world version/ROM.


#3991

does anyone still have the pre jump frames for each character?

looking for old data but not available anymore:


#3992

The SRK ST wiki has 'em: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_2_Turbo#The_Characters

Edit: Uh, maybe it doesn’t. Thought it did. That’s odd.


#3993


wall dive vortex 0:53
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7_Br69x7Stw
Is there legit no way around this shit? I hate gimmicks in any fighting game the better player can lose because they guessed wrong.


#3994

They’re powerful tools, especially Vega’s, but in many cases not completely unstoppable. As usual, the general advice of “play perfect, don’t get caught in them in the first place” applies here, but otherwise, I’ve got some notes:

Honda’s ochio mixups are strong if he’s close. Most characters have tools to prevent Honda from getting that close, so usually the ochio is his way of winning very difficult matchups or expediting matchups he already wins via his very strong defensive tools and hands. The usually way to counter them is to use a strong reversal against the “tick” attempt, e.g. uppercutting the cr.jab or the jump in or whatever it is. In the corner, it’s extremely strong, since he can repeat it again, but again the key is to counter throw or uppercut the tick.

Hawk’s throw loops are extremely powerful. Fortunately, only a handful of people actually know how to pull it off consistently, so it’s not AS serious a threat at Honda or Vega’s wall dives, which are often effective against beginner- or intermediate-level players. The best way to get out is to either bust out a lot of reversals to mess up their timing, or jump out depending on the character you use and the range at which they do the neutral jab. At max range, there’s a small gap between the jab and the grab itself, which lets characters get out via a counter poke or jump or super or what have you. This is true of Dictator, as he has very few jumping frames, so he can jump out outside of corner traps.

Vega’s wall dives are always a problem. Fortunately, anyone with a decent reversal can get out if they have good execution and timing. There are several methods you can use to perform an autocorrect uppercut, depending on the direction in which Claw does the attack, but isn’t a guaranteed out. Good general advice: just block. It’s technically just a 50% effective ratio, so be sure to concentrate on your neutral game as well to prevent getting caught in the first place.


#3995

Thanks for the help bro. So do frame perfect counter throws beat tick throws and command throws? Is losing the ability to tech throws worth playing Oken over Nken?


#3996

Throws don’t have priority versus another throw. Whoever gets it out first (and if they’re both in range), the first person gets the throw. This applies to both normal and command throws. Throws beat out meaty attacks. Also keep in mind that different characters have different ranges for throws, which is a big factor.

But command throws have more active frames than normal throws, which is why they have a tendency to land more. Plus, most smart grapplers attempt tick throws at ranges where they know the opponent can’t counterthrow, unless they’re trying to bait someone or make a read on someone who has a good reversal to punish it.

Losing the ability to tech throws is a big deal. Teching throws is a great, safe, and reliable way to get out of a bad situation at the cost of a little bit of life. It’s not too hard to tech a throw on reaction either (at least offline).

But O.Ken is demonstrably a better character than N.Ken. O.Ken has great priority on his low kick attacks, great jump in HK, the best uppercut in the game, and a very good fireball game. N.Ken is a solid character but relies heavily on closeup mixups to gain the advantage, an advantage he won’t always get if he’s being beaten in the neutral or zoned out. While I think N.Ken is an extremely fun character to play, and very rewarding to win with, O.Ken’s generally higher up on the tier list because he’s so much better at the neutral game and zoning game.

But N.Ken is too much fun to play. O.Ken is boring in comparison but gets the job done.

Also, you should hit up strevival.com/forums. It’s where most of the community has gone to discuss ST publicly outside of private FB groups.


#3997

Also if you hate Claw’s walldive bullshit, O.Ken is one of the better characters at shutting it down.


#3998

Somewhat true. If Claw ever attempts to go to the wall while you’re standing, both New and Old Ken can just walk up fierce uppercut as a punish.

That being said, haven’t played as both Kens versus MAO, he is very adept at performing the crossup in such a way that it’ll eat your inputs if you attempt to do a regular uppercut. I don’t think O.Ken actually beats Claw in a match, especially since Claw’s footsies tools are still very effective even against the old shotos’ better priority and range on low pokes.


#3999

I didn’t mean to imply he’d beat Claw, just that he doesn’t get wrecked as bad as most do and can actually fight back pretty competently.


#4000

I mean, he’s better off than Zangief or Dhalsim, but I often wonder who exactly is a good answer versus Claw. Only characters I can think of who can fight him on close to even footing is Deejay, Claw, O.Sagat, or Boxer. Ken’s good as long as your reads are on-point and you can keep the knee bash mixups going, but it’s hard to be consistent with it.


#4001

@eltrouble do you know what is the prejump frames for each characters?


#4002

Nope. Not really a technical frame data kinda guy. I just know what I know from basic play testing.


#4003

This is from 12 hours ago until about 5 minutes ago. I didn’t know I was still logged on…

So who is RisingStar? assjack/Ritual keeps complaining about his rog at the end of this chat


#4004

Oh shit!!! Even Goldie knows about that string on a quarter trick!!!


#4005

My 4 person team in this ratio tournament will be: Cammy, O. Dictator, Blanka, O. Honda…


#4006

Anyone have translation for this PV with Kurahashi and Kameraya?