Super Street Fighter II Turbo, in the house


Throws don’t have priority versus another throw. Whoever gets it out first (and if they’re both in range), the first person gets the throw. This applies to both normal and command throws. Throws beat out meaty attacks. Also keep in mind that different characters have different ranges for throws, which is a big factor.

But command throws have more active frames than normal throws, which is why they have a tendency to land more. Plus, most smart grapplers attempt tick throws at ranges where they know the opponent can’t counterthrow, unless they’re trying to bait someone or make a read on someone who has a good reversal to punish it.

Losing the ability to tech throws is a big deal. Teching throws is a great, safe, and reliable way to get out of a bad situation at the cost of a little bit of life. It’s not too hard to tech a throw on reaction either (at least offline).

But O.Ken is demonstrably a better character than N.Ken. O.Ken has great priority on his low kick attacks, great jump in HK, the best uppercut in the game, and a very good fireball game. N.Ken is a solid character but relies heavily on closeup mixups to gain the advantage, an advantage he won’t always get if he’s being beaten in the neutral or zoned out. While I think N.Ken is an extremely fun character to play, and very rewarding to win with, O.Ken’s generally higher up on the tier list because he’s so much better at the neutral game and zoning game.

But N.Ken is too much fun to play. O.Ken is boring in comparison but gets the job done.

Also, you should hit up It’s where most of the community has gone to discuss ST publicly outside of private FB groups.


Also if you hate Claw’s walldive bullshit, O.Ken is one of the better characters at shutting it down.


Somewhat true. If Claw ever attempts to go to the wall while you’re standing, both New and Old Ken can just walk up fierce uppercut as a punish.

That being said, haven’t played as both Kens versus MAO, he is very adept at performing the crossup in such a way that it’ll eat your inputs if you attempt to do a regular uppercut. I don’t think O.Ken actually beats Claw in a match, especially since Claw’s footsies tools are still very effective even against the old shotos’ better priority and range on low pokes.


I didn’t mean to imply he’d beat Claw, just that he doesn’t get wrecked as bad as most do and can actually fight back pretty competently.


I mean, he’s better off than Zangief or Dhalsim, but I often wonder who exactly is a good answer versus Claw. Only characters I can think of who can fight him on close to even footing is Deejay, Claw, O.Sagat, or Boxer. Ken’s good as long as your reads are on-point and you can keep the knee bash mixups going, but it’s hard to be consistent with it.


@eltrouble do you know what is the prejump frames for each characters?


Nope. Not really a technical frame data kinda guy. I just know what I know from basic play testing.


This is from 12 hours ago until about 5 minutes ago. I didn’t know I was still logged on…

So who is RisingStar? assjack/Ritual keeps complaining about his rog at the end of this chat


Oh shit!!! Even Goldie knows about that string on a quarter trick!!!


My 4 person team in this ratio tournament will be: Cammy, O. Dictator, Blanka, O. Honda…


Anyone have translation for this PV with Kurahashi and Kameraya?


Have to ask the other ST heads if they have a rough translation.


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Anyone have translation for this PV with Kurahashi and Kameraya?


Kameraya is one of my favourite st players, thanks for this. Sorry no translation.

Is there any more footage of kameraya? I can’t seem to find many videos of him on YouTube.


Sparse footage on YouTube of his matches. As of last year, he’s still active in ST and still a good player. His footsies are insane.



Almost forgot. There’s complete footage of that Kurahashi v. Kameraya set they teased during a commercial break. Should all be on Daigo’s Beast YT channel.


Is Claw considered broken in this game?


He’s strong, but not broken. Akuma is broken, hence why he’s banned from most tournament play.


What makes a good street fighter imo is one that is honest and pretty much forces every character to play the ground game or else you die. ST is like this for most of the cast, What I hate about vega is he can win with nothing but gimmicks.

Compare a match like this…

To this…

Evo grand finals and Mao won with a vortex.


What’s the deal with this tourney?