Hello all. I was deciding to write a paper and do a presentation on the math involved in fighting games. I was wondering if I could give some advice here on structure, games, and topics to discuss.
As of now, I believe I should be covering the following topics:
I would like to give you all my thanks in advance.
At a glance, most of the math involved fighting games is just basic algebra with a bit of geometry, calculus, and discrete mathematics to handle stuff like collision, hitboxes, and trajectories. TBH, there is likely more math going on in the visual department of a game like SF4 than there is with the actual fighting game mechanics.
What level and type of course are you planning to give this presentation to?
Yeah but the numbers people come up with for matchup charts have no statistical base. It’s all estimates, partially based on non quantitative concepts like “options” and “adaptability.”
If there was something concrete or scientific about tiering, it wouldn’t be one of the most constantly argued topics in fighting games. You certainly don’t see people arguing that much about whether or not Honda does a lot of damage.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do this kind of topic. I don’t know what you plan on doing with the things that you have mentioned above, but as it stands right now, this is not sufficient. In fact, based off of what you have mentioned, it naturally begs the question: Where’s the math? You just list elements of fighting games. While the damage scaling probably uses a mathematical formula, so what? So does taxation. You would actually have to find the formula which would mean actually looking at the code since its not public knowledge.
I can see a couple of ways of applying mathematical analysis towards these things (eg using game theory, probability, and statistics), but I’m going to guess that you do not have the mathematical tools to do such an analysis. Besides, doing these kinds of analyses is well beyond the scope of a survey of mathematics class and the payoff of getting a decent grade on your paper would not be worth all the time and effort to actually undertake such an analysis. Therefore, since you are asking to bite off more than you could chew, you should pick another topic, that is, if you want a decent grade.
I think the damage equation is here (pure guess though as I can’ translate the kanji) on page 184.
I know the life points is 200, and you need to acque more than 201 points of damage to KO the opponent.
and since the makers of SFEX were the same as the original SF2 design team the equation for the damage is probably very similar.
Bare in mind the original SFEX1 game had random damage like ST did, but it did away with the randomness in EX2 and onward. Hope that helps.
on page 185 there appears to be the variables for the equations
like what the damage is per damage settings in options.
defensive rating for characters
how much damage scaling takes place dependant on how much health is left on the opponents lifebar
what looks like the damage scaling per hit of a combo etc…
Tier lists alone would be useless because that probability would be contingent on the player using the character, which you’re going to have a hard time quantifying, let alone getting any sort of reliable data. Further, different players would have different probabilities of winning. Finally, you would also have to consider all 1225 possible matchups, along with how each individual top player would do against each other given that particular matchup. Your characterization of all this is overly simplistic and does not take these conditional probabilities in mind and is therefore an inaccurate one.
Can’t speak for everyone. For me it’s because that’s my passion.
Well, I was going to ignore that piece of info. Well, I was lying. I wasn’t going to ignore it entirely, I was planning on using it without that fact, but I would mention it.
I don’t see why I would need all 1225 matchups? I’m only going to use one example for that department since I’m going to cover other subjects as well. From what I see around here and from what I’ve been hearing from other people is that other characters are above others in tiers because they have a greater math. Rose’s frame data on her normals are better than Viper’s. Such and such character has low health. Such and such character has good range and a high damage output. Things of that nature.