The System Mechanics Thread


#942

This happens to more characters than just Mak. It happened to me on arcade when I was playing Ken (Though I can’t remember the specific conditions). Tokido told me it can happen against all the shotos. No idea why either, though.


#943

It happens the most on Mak, the twins, and Elena. Seems to be something related to their crouching hurt reel/box causing the last hits of the first wave to miss.

B.fp only, mid-screen only, and you can prevent it from happening by doing b.fpxfbxxsa2 mid screen.


#944

Hakkei into houyoku also doesn’t work consistently on Sean. I’ve never experienced it vs the twins or Elena.


#945

good info everyone!

just a heads up in case anyone was curious - Makoto’s hurtboxes don’t seem to move. Isotopez checked today. obviously some characters do (breathing animation) but whether standing or crouching Makoto’s boxes don’t move at all.


#946

is there something similar going on with the twins? its weird to me that makoto and the twins seem to be culprits here and are also the characters that you can combo RH x ducking upper on them when they are standing.


#947

I fell out of lance’s super the other day while i was playing ken. That was the first time i’ve ever seen it happen to ken. Too bad I wasn’t blocking

Chun, oro, and ibuki also don’t seem to breath. Everyone else’s hitboxes move around.

It also seems that the breathing animations don’t have an effect on where your hitboxes are height-wise after you get hit i.e. breathing only affects where on your body you get hit (or don’t get hit).


#948

I personally don’t late cancel hakkei vs a lot of characters anymore. Not worth the small risk


#949

I can’t imagine it would. Once a character is hit they’re going to go into whatever appropriate hit animation.

unless part of sa2 whiffed just barely on the first possible hit meaning chun’s relative location when starting to hit would be different (since she moves forward) which might cause something odd as she continues.

Only reasonable way to explain it. Where their hurtboxes are relative to her hitboxes and at what point causes them to drop out from whatever knockback there is vs her own movement during the super.


#950

Considering these guys thought of everything, you think maybe the way the clothes is “hiding” the characters body, in tune with the lore more rather than some arbitrary system design ( none of which exists in 3s ), you think…you know what? Nevermind.


#951

you aren’t saying anything.
of course theres a ‘system design’. stamina, super meter, super, special, normal, ex, stun, parry, uoh, throw, jump, dash, etc.
that’s system design. very basic decisions about what playing the game even means. what’s the point, how do you accomplish it, how do you interact with it.

maybe what you mean is compared to some other games it is very open ended about how these elements are actually used. which i would agree with. compared to some characters in arc system works games which often have character unique meters and the like as opposed to a shared pool of options which have different values to different characters at different times.


#952

No, that’s not what I mean at all. I’ll admit I didn’t try to think about what you wrote beyond simply reading it.

I’m saying that although there is no real indication to Makoto’s hurtbox moving, at least none that you have all come up with in your very comprehensive analysis of the “available” system variables, MAYBE, there are some less explicit interactions at play that go along with making the game more of a game about a story/anime into and of itself. I recall reading somewhere that Makoto was very self-sconscious about her breasts, so much so that she tapes them down or wears a sports bra. So, Makoto wears baggy clothes, and considering that most characters move when they breath, maybe her baggy clothing is “hiding” the movement on her hurtbox. Likewise, Ibuki wears baggy clothes and it plays in to a lot of her hurtboxes and hitboxes. It’s a game, not the zero zero algorithm to human gene regeneration.


#953

Someone explain this one for me. Maybe it’s a day 1 that I just never caught onto, I don’t know, but it’s bugging me.

I was fighting a Hugo earlier with Dudley. He hit me with in air with sa3, and I bounced out. I don’t know the proper punish, but I tried dashing in and using roundhouse before he recovered, and it hit. Then I tried to combo into EX Machinegun, because why wouldn’t I do that? He was able to block it. Why?


#954

EX mgb is slow as fuck. Unless you’re running into the corner it doesn’t hit earlier. I only say running into the corner because of a recent experience on ggpo, so that might be wrong. But yeah, ex mgb is slow as fuck, and shoto cr rh is quick as balls. If you mean dudley cr rh, I don’t know what to tell you.


#955

I mean Dudley’s RH into EX MGB. It’s like, his bnb. I use it all the time. It whiffs crouching on some characters, but I don’t think Hugo is one of those characters…also, he wasn’t crouching.

I’ve noticed in training mode that sometimes stuff doesn’t combo right on stunned characters too, and have always found that odd, but it’s never been an issue in a real match. [edit] this is unrelated, Hugo was not stunned.


#956

You probably late cancelled it.

And the training mode bug has been present since dc and ps2. When the dummy has no life the combos break for no reason.


#957

Sure didn’t feel like I did, but if there’s no obvious-to-pros reason I’ll chalk it up to netplay. Good to know that the other thing is only in training mode though.


#958

Were you playing online? I’ve had that happen sometimes, or if I do EX MGB into Ducking Upper the Ducking Upper hits go through their body. It’s most likely due to lag.


#959

I’ve had rh -> ex mgb not combo on arcade. It just happens sometimes. Probably has to do with what Ryan said.


#960

Wakeup speeds - Bringing this up again http://gr.qee.jp/01_3rd/01/base/12.html

I’m pretty sure this table is inaccurate or possibly missing a 4th wakeup speed? Dudley cannot safe jump or meaty rose 12 after sa3 knockdown because he wakes up too fast but nothing on this table indicates it, so confused


#961

accidental double post