Upgrading internet. Which to go with for SF4/SSF4


#1

First thing, I’m an Avid gamer and stream/DL large files. So concerning SF4 and SSF4(Dont understand how people can’t discern SF4 from SSF4…Idiots), would getting Qwest 12 MBPS over Comcast 15 MBPS be acceptable enough that there would be small amounts lag, to none, during online play with someone from Seattle and say, New York? Or Vice verse with those ISP’s?

Does anyone here Have any input as to which would be better and reason for and is there a really noticeable difference between these two speeds while gaming online.

  • Disregard money, higher speeds, better computer as any means to deviate from the question at hand please.

Any info needed don’t hesitate to ask me.

P.S. Is there like an internet thread or something that I missed?


#2

for starters the U.S. runs on a 5mb/s backbone, meaning the 5+mb you’re paying for is from your provider to yourhousehold.
second, lots of factors come into play when dealing with online play.
there’s a difference between bandwidth and latency. even if you have 20mb/s connection, if person X in california has a 3mb/s with faulty lines and interference, you’re still gonna have crappy gameplay.
that and other things come into factor, i.e.:
-are you sharing your connection with your family (torrents, pictures, streaming, etc)
-do you care if you share your connection with your neighborhood (cable internet pools with the internet)

also, do some research on the companies. I know for sure that Comcast is horrible down here in Atlanta, as well as some other southern areas. it may be better in the more northern states. I’ve also heard good and bad things about Qwest, but then again i don’t think any internet provider is perfect.

So in conclucion, 12-15 is really your choice, the speeds are fast enough that you won’t notice a difference torrenting/downloading/uploading most things. just do your research on each company and pick your poison.


#3

The speeds won’t make a difference at all. The latency of the two is what you need to be concerned about, but I don’t know how you would get that information.


#4

Does your cable company have a fiber optic network? if so that destroys most issues with pooled connections. Aside from that just watch the little green bars, the greener the better.


#5

while i cant speak of the providers you mentioned. i use time warner road runner turbo here in ohio. while most of the time i become host, there are still lat problems. if im hosting and have a great conection and my opponent is on a dsl sat connection and is streaming youtube while playing , youre gonna get input lag or straight up old fashioned lag( moving flip book ) also some IE providers set up their connections to where you cant game online unless you pay for there gaming package (aol bb) .your best option is to just try it . unless a contract is involved. find someone who has the provider your wanting to test and go over , hook up , and play


#6

Thanks for the replies fella’s:

osiriskidd - Good starter info:smile: Anyways, regarding the latency and given that situation, would either ISP amount considerably large amount of lag unplayable online or bearable per say.

  • Yes to sharing the connection but they are going through wireless as I am wired directly to a router(Linksys). Would that deter any amount of speed mainstreaming towards/from my PS3?
  • Since both ISP’s are using Fiber optic wouldn’t that debunk the cesspool of users during traffic hours? But if not then probably wouldn’t mind as much through previous experience with that situation.

brighenne - Yeah, I wouldn’t gamble on either ISP disclosing that type of info to the general public.

LuppyLuptonium - Yes. Both Companies provide Fiber Optic but is there a real difference from either dealing with online latency given that no other computer/neighbor is “siphoning” off my network?

EDIT:

CHRISfromOHIO - Never heard of Road Runner Turbo, are they cool? Might try out with friends’ providers.


#7

well with that information then you can’t lose with either. i’ve heard bad things about both providers, so its a tossup depending on what you find in your area. i play wow with alot of people who use both providers and they have good things to say (others have bad, but that’s just how it is).


#8

Okay

Here’s the skinny.

The thing about the 5mb/s thing is false. I regularly get 1 or 2+ mbytes/s via some torrents, roughly 8 to 16 mbits/sec.

Second thing. Most cablecos are fiber from the node, which is a box that connects your neighborhood to the cableco’s larger fiber infrastructure. Or they should, particularly if it’s Comcast. The same’s true for your DSL provider, except it goes to a DSLAM or a Mini-DSLAM, especially if your provider’s a big name like Qwest.

Third, latency, latency latency latency LATENCY. Unless your cableco/telco is ridiculously horrible for your area, this isn’t going to be a problem, you’ll see decent latencies across the board.

Fourth, don’t count out wireless just yet. I work for Clear, a wireless provider that’s available in your area and while our latency numbers aren’t quite there yet, they’re also pretty damn decent. They’re available in Vegas too, so I’ve had the chance to play around with it. SF4 and GGPO are quite playable; however for the cost, you could just as easily get basic DSL or cable service; however, if Qwest or Comcast dicks you over, well, there’s always wireless. Of course RF coverage issues are a huge concern(poor coverage = high latency and poor throughput), but, that’s not even on the table until you count out Comcast and Qwest. In which case, well, settling isn’t such a bad thing.

Overall, go with whoever’s willing to sell you cheaper service, and if you can’t get service with either; don’t discount wireless. Unless you plan on leeching 200 gigs of scheie porn a week, or hosting 16v16 matches of Team Fortress 2, you’re not going to need faster throughput. Your basic cable package will suffice.


#9

apologies, i didn’t think anyone measured speeds in megabits. and have you actually ever downloaded past 5mb/s? the highest i’ve ever gotten was 2.5

thats actually incorrect. no matter how much bandwidth you have, a connection from NY to CALI will always yield 150-200ms. unless of course, you factor in SSH tunneling, which isn’t widely used outside of businesses anyways.


#10

Okay, so judging on how this is turning out Latency is the majority problem. Of course it isn’t unheard of but it goes to say that regardless of it, shifting to either ISP providers, and some others as well, there really isn’t any large discrepancy that would deter one from another, limited to price. So going by that, which ever is cheaper would be best right? And yes , probably Downloading porno would factor some haha.

Taiki - As an employee of Clear, how would describe their services…in a gamers P.O.V.? I’ve talked to representatives/advertisers here and there but hardly comment about being avid as a gamer and etc., and conversations usually go quick since they only want to promote the best of their services, and not saying that this is strictly towards Clear.


#11

From a gamer’s POV? It’s great if you’re on the go, and while it’s not the best, it IS a good experience. Particularly if you can’t get Comcast or Qwest to run a line out. Latency’s going to be a little higher than cable/dsl but it’s still a decent experience. Of course this is what the Vegas experience is like and depending on your particular spot, your mileage may vary, so, yeah.

Depends on where you’re at, and what conditions are like. But that’s true for Cable and DSL as well.

are you kidding me? it’s the industry standard from nearly every isp. No ISP will ever quote a speed in bytes. just bps. and yes, in order to download faster than 5 mbytes/sec you’d have to be downloading at nearly a 40 mbits/sec. Unless you’re paying for a baller ass connection, you’re just not going to see those kinds of speeds. Well, in America at least. Most backbone connections from your ISP to the rest of the internet are multiply stacked super fast fiber lines.

That’s what I posted, it took several reads of what you said to figure that out. I’m also really out of it right now.

What can happen though, is that as bandwidth is consumed, latency may also go up. But again, unless you’re leeching gigs of schiee porn 24/7, or hosting big FPS matches or an MMO server, throughput isn’t going to be a problem for most home connections.


#12

You’re profile says you live in Seattle. I live in Seattle… well technically Renton/Kent, but I’m basically Seattle.

Any who let me save you a lot of trouble.

You have one option living in Seattle, and one option only.

Comcast.

if you really really want to I can elaborate, but if you trust me just get Comcast.

I’ve had about every single provider up in this city if you’re wondering.

It’s not even close.