Jesus… Looks like I missed some real fireworks in my latest absence!
On the one hand, it sucks that vasili had to exit unceremoniously in the fashion that he did. And who am I going to turn to to beg for translations about SF character move names (right now trying to muddle through Honda’s SFA3/SFIV moves, but I still have many to fill in… Gouken, Oro, Remy, Q… ARGH)? BUt seriously, he brought this on himself. I’m pretty sure I was the first one to call him out in this thread about the whole Gouken/Gen being zombies to be total bullshit, not because it couldn’t happen (as noted, Capcom has done equally stupid things, plus early storyboards suggested that Gouken was considered a jedi ghost or something originally), but because of zero evidence. No, horseshit like “different coloured auras” definitely doesn’t count, especially when every actual shred of evidence - both in-game and outside - show the exact opposite. I don’t know why he insisted in going down that path and defending it so stubbornly. But I digress.
But wait: There are actual bad translations in the guide? Damn! Where? As I said, I usually just gloss over huge chunks of the guide since it has been unreadable for so long, so I usually just look it up for bio data.
And Saiki’s back, holy shit!
re: NEW SF Plot Guide
Thanks to vasili’s maddening decision to transliterate instead of translate, I have not actually read huge portions of the SF plot guide in years. Maybe now I’ll actually get around to reading it fully again! Maybe I’ll finally be able to chuck version 4.4 (I think this was the last version by Tiamat), which I never deleted because I could actually read it!
I’m a bit torn on this one. As an english speaker, I’m more familiar with using the english names, and of course the english names are instead “official”, but wasn’t the whole point of the guide originally to keep track of story as told by Capcom of Japan? Wouldn’t that include the names? Otherwise, we’d have to accept (even though it’s been overwritten now) that Cammy being Bison’s lover was also “official”. But I guess we can make an exception for the names, and only for the names, since everything else has more or less been unified.
I was definitely championing Poison to be referred to as a “she” from the beginning. Yet another point that vasili was flat out wrong on.
re: Shun Goku Satsu
I’m not sure if it was YagamiFire that first posted it, but I first read about the concept of the SGS actually being a physical attack (more specifically, a series of rapid fire pointblank Hadoukens) years ago, and that made a lot more sense than the whole “transporting you to hell for demons to pray on”, so I tacitly accepted that version of the move as being more accurate, though I can’t recall if I said anything about it in this thread. Saiki, you’re going to have to come good to explain the original version if you choose to defend it.
re: tier list
I agree that the tier list doesn’t need to be chucked. If anything, revise it down toe fewer tiers like it originally was. It’s pretty reasonable to assume that Gill, Oro, and AKuma are on a tier to every one else, and either SFA3 Bison or SFIV Bison (not sure which is stronger) is right underneathe them, etc. Just make sure to list it as CONJECTURE - really, there’s nothing wrong with conjecture in the guide - and it’ll be fine.