Sooo, did you find any flaws in my outline?
AH ok I found out from PXZ2 that Vega stole Ingrid’s Hair Pin/Brooch(?), you know one of those things she wears on her hair. He is using it as one of the few items to power up his Psycho Drive. #notsayingit’scanon #atleastit’ssomething #whothehelldoesthestreetfighterwikia Why is that 16 levels of hell and all that made up nonsense still under SGS section.
Also I realised a lot of people don’t realise that SnHnMRyu and Oni are not the berserk warriors that SnH practitioners are warned about becoming if they use SGS and fail to control themselves. SnHNMRyu and Oni are actually self-aware and aren’t indiscriminately attacking people in any berserk fashion whatsoever. This can be seen in SnHnMRyu’s (Damnit I don’t like typing ‘Evil’ Ryu) quotes anywhere. Same for Oni and his quotes. Actually you know maybe I’m just being sensitive after re-chancing upon the Wikia and the descriptions there. Bah.
I strongly recommend reading and posting in the SFV story thread. Capcom has been divulging some neat info and we have a translator who can explain the Japanese materials.
Thought I should probably make those aware of a new sort of plot guide in the works I’m compiling. I still need a lot of help on some sections but it’s coming together daily. The links in my sig.
**For those of you who have been saying “I thought Street Fighter 3 was the last SF (for Street Fighter) game for Capcom!”, allow me to clear up the confusion. SF has an “original era” and a “revival era”. The original era began in 1987, when SF1 became available to the public. This era ended when Capcom stopped producing SF3:3S arcade cabinets in 1999/2000. During that time, Capcom decided not to make anymore SF games, and it would not change its decision until around 2004 or 2006, when convinced by Yoshinori Ono. The revival era (2008-present) began with the release of SF4. You can choose to acknowledge or ignore the “revival era” SF games.
“Original Era” SF:
- SF2 series
- SFA series
- SF3 series
“Revival Era” SF (as of 8/16/2016):
- SF4 series
Just telling the public what they need to know.**
I mean, it is true that Capcom was in a different state during the “Original Era”. But the games are one series, SF4/SFV are canon with the older games.
**Well, there have been Looney Tunes cartoons produced from 1987 to the present day. LT (for Looney Tunes) cartoons were originally produced from 1930 to 1969. In 1969, the final 1930-1969 era LT cartoon finished it’s theatrical run, and Warner Bros. had no intention of making anymore LT theatrical shorts until 1987. Many recent animation books don’t acknowledge the 1987-present era LT cartoons but consider the LT era as being only from 1930-1969. Though I believe there are some animation books that acknowledge the 1987-present era LT cartoons.
SF is similar to LT. The “original era” SF games are like the “1930-1969 era” LT cartoons and the “revival era” SF games are similar to the “1987-present” LT cartoons. Some people acknowledge the “revival era” SF games, some people ignore them. It’s up to you whether you want to acknowledge the “revival era” SF games or not.**
I don’t think SF3 was intended to conclude the series. Capcom halted their entire fighting game division because the cabinets were making less money during the decay of arcade culture. Had the genre remained profitable, I have no doubt SF4 would have come out years earlier. I’m not knowledgeable about animation, so I can’t speak on Looney Tunes.
SF4 had multiple reasons to “revert” the series to before SF3. Capcom wanted the World Warriors to be relevant and call back to SF2, so the game was set closer to SF2 than SF3. SF3 was also poorly received because it traded off so many fan favorites for new characters. The new characters aren’t bad, as Ibuki/Dudley/Alex/Makoto are still pretty popular, but how SF3 handled its roster rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
Agree, In fact it wasn’t even just the street fighter franchise that has been reverted to it’s well known popular/pop culture state but the many famed franchise that jump in the bandwagon trends of futuristic and aftermath state in the mid-late 90’s era. While some did prequels than so far away future, That is the time many fans are expecting something else “beyond” after a given state of conclusion to a previous popular climatic event like people having children, marriage, new adventures, apprentices, retirement, new conflicts and everything entirely different from what made the previous to loved and enjoyed.
It has done good for a moment of time till the early 2ks but the latter the farther it gets the more it alienates, the returning fans and their subscribers to dislike because of losing it’s original identity and formula of what makes them interested with it. That even the new trends and hype of the mid 2ks only make it totally damage and loss everything that makes it masterpiece and independent from the past trends… This make the many recurring franchise stale and frozen because it cannot cope up and fit the later trends because it became entirely different. so the time in 2005 on wards many had chosen to be restarted and rebooted like the many remade from movies, comic books, novel video games and the many fictional media to bring what made it to be a masterpiece.
Lately some had been adopting political influences and controversial issues to ride with the trends like the new era of comic books that is so broken and cause to damage continuously the characters identity and reputations to promote other characters. Which I dislike those practiced. IMHO I’m thankful for SF not being like those in the new soft retcon.
The thing is, I do want the series to move past SF3. I want to see Ryu reach his peak, and the other characters to complete what they started over 25 years ago. I want to see their effects on the world, and the new generation they inspire.
If and when they move past SF3, I would like to see (at least 6 of) the world warriors from SF2 to return as secret challengers were we find out what they have been doing. In the case of Ryu, defeating Oro (or Sakura) under special conditions brings out his seasoned apprentice mixing senju arts with anetsuken to over whelming effects. Defeating Sean under special conditions has Ken test your character’s fist against his now tempered flames.
RE: using dead or maybe past prime characters…
If they want to use some older characters, they could have someone recall a past fight with them. Want Goutetsu in the game? Have Gouken or Akuma recall a fight with him to another character during story mode. Maybe Sakura spends a summer under Gouken or Elena speaks with Akuma under the best of conditions.
RE: new generation of inspired warriors.
While not everyone would take on an apprentice, I could understand a few successors.
-new sonic soldier (with alternative military branch)
-a “strong” student of Chunli, Dan, E.Honda, Feilong…
I think it was. Capcom wanted to take SF in a new direction but the fans wouldn’t have it without Ryu and Ken so they were added, even though they had no purpose originally. Consider the facts.
- Ryu wasn’t even intended to appear and his legacy is of no consequence to the central story of SF3. Items previously central to Ryu (Satsui no Hado problem, rivalry with Sagat) are never even mentioned
- Shadowloo gets only a passing mention by Urien as a defunct organization
- The final boss, Gill, isn’t even evil
- Gill’s ending brings a conclusion to Street Fighter
- 3rd Strike endings provides a convincing denouement for everyone, with no contradictions outside of Urien’s ending (which would make Gill’s ending impossible)
You can put me into the “Original vs Revival” camp because SF4 makes a mockery out of all this for the sake of more $$$. The main impetus can be money, same as for almost any work. But SF - SF3 is completely different from postmillennial Street Fighter which is nothing more than fanservice with horrible character designs, a nonsensical story, and pointless cruft like official swimsuit mods.
Good stories have an end, and the mainline continuity of Street Fighter ended in 1999 when 3rd Strike was released.
Most video games franchises will never have a definitive ending because you always have to leave room for a sequel. Which sometimes becomes frustrating with things like Darkstalkers which left loose ends that probably won’t ever be resolved.
In Street Fighter’s case there’s still Gill’s prophecy which has never been resolved, and it even comes up again in SFV’s story.
With SFV closing all of the doors that SFIV opened up again (the Dolls, Shadowloo, Satsui No Hadou Ryu, Dictator) I really can’t see them not directly dealing with the prophecy the next time around.
…There is still a chance for them to be funny and resolve the prophecy in between SF3 Second Impact Giant Attack and SF3 Third Strike giving us yet another interquel, but I’m going to reluctantly doubt that’s what is going to happen.
So, apparently the Shungokusatsu has been revealed in the new trailer.
They show what happens when he’s doing the attack. No, demons no hell from what it seems.
I’ve got a question and maybe you have some suggestions:
In Dhalsim’s ending in “Street Fighter II”, we see a photo of him on the winners’ podium, with Bison on place 2 and Sagat on place 3:
Pre-“Super Turbo” games had two generic fighters standing next to him, but a drawn artwork from 1991 confirms that this was always supposed to be Bison and Sagat.
Alright, so the ending is shown from the perspective of “if Dhalsim had won the tournament”. Fair enough.
But here’s what I find strange:
In “X-Men vs. Street Fighter”, we have the same image in the background:
It’s not in full view, but the lines indicate that this is most likely supposed to be a podium and therefore a callback to Dhalsim’s SF2 ending.
Now, I know that XMvsSF is not canon, but that doesn’t matter:
The game never happened within the regular canon. But in the alternate universe where XMvsSF happened, the SF2 tournament probably happened as well, hence the podium.
Now, I doubt that Dhalsim is supposed to be the canon winner of SF2 inside the XMvsSF universe. And I doubt that he has a picture of someone else on the podium.
So, my question is: What happened after the SF2 tournament, so that Dhalsim got a picture of him standing on top of the podium with Bison and Sagat on place 2 and 3? How did this picture came to be in a situation where Dhalsim didn’t win the tournament?
It’s just that; a callback.
Yeah, but a callback to a situation that can usually only happen in a certain situation: If Dhalsim wins the tournament.
So, if he has that picture in that scene, it means of two things:
In the “X-Men vs. Street Fighter” universe, Dhalsim was the winner of “Street Fighter II”. (Unlikely.)
For some reason, Dhalsim getting this picture happened regardless. Even in the canon outcome where he didn’t win the tournament, the situation somehow ended up in a way so that he got a picture of himself standing on the winners’ podium together with Bison and Sagat.
And I’m curious if anybody can come up with an explanation how possibility 2 might have happened.
If you created a “Street Fighter II” anime and you were supposed to include that Dhalsim artwork with the photo, how would you do it?
The picture doesn’t show anyone in the podium, it could have been Magneto and with someone else character Sf or Xmen.
There might have been no SF2 events that take place in XvS since they were in Alpha representation in that game. It might have been Alpha-XvS and no Sf2.
You don’t say…