What are Guy's best Matchups?

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#1

Hey Guy Community. I have a friend who’s just started to pick up guy, and I wanted to teach him some matchups. I wanted to start with the ones where Guy has an advantage and I was wondering what those are and why he has an advantage. Thanks


#2

It’s debatable to be honest, cause a lot of characters still require Guy to work a bit for the win even at advantage, even at a match you are at advantage you can still lose the match if the player knows the matchup. Guy at high level has to be played a certain way. I’m going to make a tutorial soon to showcase all these things to that Guy players have been doing, what they should do, what they shouldn’t do, How he should naturally be played etc.


#3

As Blooddrunk says, it is very debateable. It will largely depend on the skills and matchup experience of the Guy player, in relation to those of the opponent. For example, I find Gouken a really easy matchup. This is because Guy has so many ways to bait out his counter reversals, which can then be easily max damage punished. Then the Gouken will learn to stop going for them, which then opens him up to meaty attacks. Not to mention a lot of his escape options are easily avoided or option selectable by Guy. So in terms of the matchup metagame, Guy wins this matchup hands down. It’s 6/4 or even 7/3 in his favour. However, if you were to take a Gouken specialist player (let’s just say Infiltration for example), then things won’t be so simple. He will already be fully aware of what gives Guy the advantage over Gouken and will know what you’re going for and develop strategies to deal with this. So it does totally depend on the player AS WELL as the character they play in almost all matchups…apart from Zangief. That matchup is so bad, someone who had only been playing Gief for a couple of days could beat even the most competent of Guy players.


#4

Gief is questionable, honestly the only way Gief can win is from good footsies and no fear SPDs, I played a decent Gief at a FT10 who was smart to not do stupid things like green hand to get in, and that match went down to 10-7 me taking the set, He uses U2 and his main issue was whenever he had Ultra. I had U2 so he tried to gimmick me on my wakeup after an SPD it would never happen, throughout that match he probably caught me in U2 at best 3 times. Guy can play the keepaway game against Gief I’ve beaten plenty via frustrating them by just doing that alone.


#5

Without saying too much, I agree with nebbiez about Gouken.

I would add Dudley and Dee Jay to the list as well.

This might be controversial, but also Blanka and maybe Claw.

EDIT: As for Gief…the problem is HE can play the keepaway game against Guy, and when that happens its game over. He’s on the end of the worse match ups spectrum.


#6

For Gief to do.that.though he has to get damage on Guy which you can keep.him out


#7

Gief can jump in using different jumping normals, the shoe stomp he uses is especially effective and not easily anti-aired.

He can use st.MP to keep Guy out. Guy can’t ever jump in cos of Lariat.

In fact all Guy has is his normal standing pokes.

So consider that Gief can AA guy every time, even if the players reactions are slow because Guy’s jump is so slow to begin with.
Consider that Gief can jump in and mess up Guy’s anti-air - or even whiff jump and SPD.
Consider that even on knockdown, Guy cannot safe jump Gief cos of his exSPD and 4 frame lariat.

If guy had a fireball or an invisible (meterless) AA then it would definitely be different.


#8

I totally agree about Dee Jay, Blanka and Claw. I’m much more comfortable with Blanka and Claw because I play those matchups on a daily basis, but I’m pretty familiar with Dee Jay too and have my strategies for dealing with him too.

But Dudley? What makes you say Dudley is so easy? Even though I know a few really good Dudley players, I haven’t had enough experience against mid-level Dudley players to learn the matchup properly. So every time I play a Dudley, it usually just ends up turning into a scrap fest. His ground pressure and frame trap game is just insane, but then I blame that on my own lack of experience against a broad spectrum of Dudley players. Is there anything in particular that gives Guy an advantage over Dudley?


#9

Yeah, I’d say Zangief is one of Guy’s worst matchups. I do believe pretty much all of 'Giefs jump-ins can be AAed with cr.MP, even his jump-in MK.

But anyways, this thread is about Guy’s best match ups! Let’s see… the first one that comes to my mind is Dhalsim. While it can be a bit of an uphill struggle when you have no metre, you can abuse EX.Run to blow right through his limbs and get the knock down with the slide. After that, I find 'Sim players struggle to effectively get Guy away from them without taking some sort of risk or mashing something out.


#10

Not to mention that if Gief knocks down or spd Guy, he can run a train on him, maybe even finish the round, but when Guy knocks Gief down, his best option is to just…back off and let him stand up.

I think Guy just beats Dudley at neutral pretty badly, his st.mk and cr.mp beats everything he throws at you from my experience, and all of Guy’s crouching kicks are low profile and they beat his st.hp/fw.hp clean. Only risky move is to do a slide if he is fishing with his focus attack. He is also extremely easy to anti air with cr.mp, since it beats pretty much his every jumping attack.

As for Guy’s best matchups, i would say Dhalsim, Dee Jay and Sagat, they are still not free if the players are good ofc. :slight_smile:


#11

Well, I dunno about that… no Gief player is psychic, knowing what you’re gonna do on his wakeup. You have to pressure him sometimes, especially if you throw him into the corner. Just coz he’s a grappler doesn’t mean he’s immune to normal throws :wink:

If you throw them into the corner and have U1, you’re in a strong position. Set up your 50/50 jump in, but wall jump and look for their PPP lariat. If they lariat, land with down+mp and give him an unscaled U1!

Doing this trick will make Gief scared to lariat, giving you ‘free’ jump ins, which in turn gives you access to the powerful 50/50 mixups.

Of course, this is only in the corner… getting him there is another matter!


#12

Well any attempt at pressuring Gief is just not worth it, the risk/reward is hugely in his favor, that’s why you always see pro players just opting to zone him out.

That fake crossup, wall jump down+mp into ultra always works on Giefs lol, its one of the things going for Guy here i guess, but getting him in the corner is hard work just like you said.


#13

Can’t GIef just do ex green hand and avoid the wall mix up altogether? Not to mention blocking which is a much safer choice.

As mentioned previously, st.mk keeps him out well - although it mustn’t be spammed. He is easily AA’d especially with cr.mK ( I think this is guaranteed against all his jump ins). His ex Dp is 4 frames so safe jump him all day - not to mention that when he has no meter, he’s totally vulnerable to whatever card you’re gonna pull out on his wake up.

His focus can be deadly and of course on knockdown he’s got the tools; but these can be nullified by doing a raw backdash or even better focus backdash. You risk being thrown or forward jumped on wake up, so of course you shouldn’t abuse either option.

It’s only the corner where you really worry about Dudley - but it takes a lot for him to get you there cos the neutral game is uphill if Guy pokes sensibly.


#14

This is based on my sole opinion of playing the best of the respected chars and how I feel the matchups go.

In favor of guy:

Dudley
Blanka
Ibuki
Deejay
E-Ryu
Seth
Oni
Sagat
Gouken

Even with guy:

Yang
Cody
Abel
Gen
Viper
Juri
Guile
Vega
Fuerte
Ken
Ryu
Makoto
Dhalsim
Cammy (Just from my experiences)

Defeat Guy:
Gief (Played vs Snake and Vangief a ton to make this judgement)
Sakura
Yun
Rufus
T-Hawk
Adon
Fei
Akuma
Balrog
E-Honda
Chun-Li
M Bison
Rose (Only Slightly)

Not Sure (Haven’t Played vs opponents using these chars at a high level)
Dan
Hakan

Again just my personal experience but ive played against some of the best with these respective chars and this is how it feels to me as far as characters guy win over break even with or lose to.


#15

He can, but they are all used to doing lariat whenever they see someone in the air coming at them. It’s just a gimmick that works on bad Giefs or those without the matchup experience.


#16

Dhalsim

Guy pretty much wrecks Dhalsim’s normal gameplan in this match. He has a big jump arc that can punish Yoga Fires for big damage. His high prioriy pokes such as cr.mp, cr,hk and crouching short are a nightmare for Dhalsim. Bushin flip, ex Run and a good dash make it very easy for Guy to get in. Dhalsim has no reversals and has to deal with Guy’s insane pressure and forced to block most 50/50 set ups. Guy can push him to the corner after one or two combos. Guy has many tools to deal with Dhalsim’s ultra 1 set ups. Ex tatsu, MK Tatsu, EX bushin flip. Dhalsim can never throw a fireball in his block strings due to Mk tatsu going through fireballs. Guy can punish Yoga snipers on hit, (I think).
This matchup is plain horrible for Dhalsim. Not to mention, Guy’s highest damaging combo works on Dhalsim.


#17

Guy actually cannot jump in or bushin flip in on Sim. I’ve played against Lucky D offline. His anti airs just destroy Guy’s Aerial, you’re better off walking through or EX Run periodically. I would hardly say this matchup is entirely horrible. Maybe if the Sim isn’t aware of the Guy matchup, but once they are just like every other character it changes significantly. But Yes you can punish Yoga Sniper if you react quickly enough.

Also I know you and Monney are the only Guy players in Canada that I know were at Toryuken… but… c’mon SOLID PLAY! Watching you two doing desperate things to get in was just… heartbreaking.


#18

I’ve played several sets online against Arturo and PLAY1NG TO W1N, who are 2 of the best American Dhalsim players from what I can tell. It’s not the easiest matchup in world by any means. Jumping in is definitely not the way to go. I would say in terms of the meta game for the matchup it’s probably 5.5-4.5 in Guy’s favour. But it’s entirely dependent on the competence of the other player. Anyone ever seen F.Champ face off against a Guy player? Or anyone here played that matchup with him in person? I bet that would be an amazing match because his control of spacing is second to none if you ask me.


#19

F,Champ doesn’t really play AE anymore, but he has faced Marq Teddy on two occasions. Both he got stomped mostly from unfamiliarity of the matchup and the fact that West Coast seems to think Marq Teddy is an unstoppable force, he really isn’t he’s just a Guy player that keeps doing things. But Champ couldn’t stop everything he did which was pitiful to say the least.


#20

Guy actually cannot jump in or bushin flip in on Sim. I’ve played against Lucky D offline. His anti airs just destroy Guy’s Aerial, you’re better off walking through or EX Run periodically. I would hardly say this matchup is entirely horrible. Maybe if the Sim isn’t aware of the Guy matchup, but once they are just like every other character it changes significantly. But Yes you can punish Yoga Sniper if you react quickly enough.

Also I know you and Monney are the only Guy players in Canada that I know were at Toryuken… but… c’mon SOLID PLAY! Watching you two doing desperate things to get in was just… heartbreaking.

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Yeah I cracked under pressure as it was my first time playing him ever. I never EX slide until I see a fireball. I normally don’t play like that at all. I should have beaten Dieminion too. It was down to the last pixel final game final round but I lost.

Though the match against Sanford, I think I just dropped too many combos and missed a lot of chances. I tried punishing his focus back dash a lot but I was too slow. He told me he likes my play style and said I could have slaughtered him.

Back to Dhalsim

Its not that you can jump or bushin flip, its that you can easily punish his Yoga Fire. I play against Snafoo very often and I’d think he knows the match up now lol.

Its not a free match up, but definitely in Guy’s favor. I’ll post some recent videos when I get home.