I always argue with people that the 3 main shotos(Ken, Ryu, Akuma) all beat Sagat. They for the most part believe that Akuma beats Sagat, but so many of them think Sagat vs Ryu/Ken is 5-5. Especially Ryu and Ken mains…
How the heck(fuck) can the match up be 5-5? Ryu and Ken have far better normals than Sagat(although his are fine overall), and they can blow Sagat up in the footsie game without Sagat’s st.lk. They do more damage than him, and they get far more consistent damage than Sagat. They have 101 ways around his FB zoning, and FB’s are generally ASS in this version of the game, even players like Daigo think so and he’s the FB king.
However, what sets the match the furthest apart from being 5-5 is the safe jumps. How many characters in the caste can Safe jump Sagat at will? Now I’m not complaining that, because Sagat has an invincible reversal so cheers…BUT it’s just useless against the Shoto’s. Ryu and Ken have safe jump set ups on Sagat from sweeps, dps, throws, trades, juggles etc. That makes the match up the furthest thing from fair IMHO. Safe jumps in this game are so OP because not only are they true 50/50’s(sometimes 66/33’s with OS’) they lead to another 50/50 that if guessed wrong sets you up again… All that damage adds up, because both Ryu and Ken hit harder than Sagat in the grand scheme of things.
I wish players could be like Michael Tan, and just admit that the Shoto’s butt rape sagat. He believes Ken Sagat is 7-3 at the highest level lol.
5-5 shoots self in the face