Woman's Tourney Thoughts


#1

I know I’m taking a risk to open up a can of worms here, but I wanted to discuss the woman’s performance at Evo. More over I went to look up some youtube videos of their matches.(I missed it to get a few extra winks from staying up so late watching money matches) In the comments someone was calling out how it’s BS that women aren’t equal so that they have to have a womans bracket tourney.

Now I’m not sure if that person was aware the women were allowed to compete in the main tournament, or any game tournament they wanted. The way I saw it women had an extra event at the same game to win MORE money. That seems like a win to me if I was a lady, but I’m not going to speak for them.

After watching the videos, and listening to Sherry’s commentary during the vids(I believe it was her anyway) I came to the conclusion that the gap between male players and female players is still very big. The gap between Japanese and USA players is getting tighter and tighter and I’d say very close to even, but the overall performance of the women in SSF4 based off Evo was meh. The exception def. was Kayane to me, because she seems to hold the same mentality as top male players in playing. Very composed, thinking as she plays, and great on execution.

Another thing worth pointing out was that Mike Ross was more or less constantly coaching Sherry.(Again sorry if that wasn’t her, or if that wasn’t what was going on) It did seem like Mike was behind her in her matches giving out words of wisdom, but you didn’t see the other ladies being watched over. It’s rare to see males offering tips to each other during tournies either, but yes it does happen. It just seems to me in order to treat the women equally, then they need to stand on their own two feet.

Oh and the almost cat fight is just a poor spotlight on girls in the scene. The commentary during the matches was also…maybe 1 notch above Adam Sesslers and even that is a stretch. The constant screw ups, lack of knowledge, and “Oh no’s” was just face palm worthy.

No disrespect to the ladies who went out to Evo to compete and I hope more make it out next year to step their game up. For me I don’t care about your sex, race, sexual orientation, etc when I play against you. I treat everyone like they are going to play as well as Daigo and adjust accordingly. :stuck_out_tongue:

What do you guys think about women having their own pool? How do you think they stacked up against male players? Try not to flame, although without reading over what I typed I’m sure I may have set myself up for it.


Would you want a Women's Invitational in a future Evolution Championship Series?
#2

same thing as every other thing out there where there is competition ?
NBA WNBA NHL WHL etc…

in sports if it was equal men would run over the women in no time … but in games that’s different should be completely equal in every way … its not a physical sport its mental and unless you mentally challenged there should be no separation


#3

I liked the video of Choco beating Mago that one time…


#4

It wasn’t too long ago that Sherry was beating me in SF, she’s still a good player I just assume she has a life outside of SF and doesn’t play it close to the amount other players do.

I believe Mike Ross and Sherry are (holds pinky up) so I’m sure he would want to help and inform her.

She beats my friends pretty consistently, but they are just online players. One time she brought baked goods and gave them out to people at the arcade.

All the entrants in the female tourney tried their hardest this weekend, give 'em a break.


#5

only thing that mattered, AAA Kayane is a total babe.


#6

People need a lesson in perspective.

The number of female competitors is very small compare to the number of male competitors.

So, taking a small sample and comparing it directly to a very large sample, and drawing some sort definitive of conclusion of skill is just mathematically crazy.

The male population demonstrated a VERY wide range of skill levels. Can’t act like there weren’t lots of “meh” male players at EVO, because there are. It’s fun to focus on the Daigos and whatnot, but let’s not kid ourselves…they are the exception. When you have such a large sample size like the males do, you have a greater chance of seeing those Daigo leveled players, but they aren’t the norm.

Overall, though, I was just pleased to see a good number of female players in attendance. Good stuff to see the community expanding.


#7

My thoughts were well spoken by another man in a thread I made in the EVO section about the general Grand Finals for SSF4 titled “Beauty and The Beast”. This man said “I thought this thread was about the Women’s Invitational finals.”.

It was good to see that the stereotypical nerdy chick thing for gamer girls didn’t hold up though, a few of the contestants were just ordinary, some even good looking women.

And The Lone Dragon, this was a women’s INVITATIONAL, which means the best female players were invited to compete. Yet out of the entire group of girls, Kayane was the only one who truly displayed some skill in the game, the rest were playing like they had learned it in the past week (Burnyourbra and Sherri weren’t awful, but they certainly couldn’t compete with 95% of the men there).


#8

My thoughts were well spoken by another man in a thread I made in the EVO section about the general Grand Finals for SSF4 titled “Beauty and The Beast”. This man said “I thought this thread was about the Women’s Invitational finals.”.

It was good to see that the stereotypical nerdy chick thing for gamer girls didn’t hold up though, a few of the contestants were just ordinary, some even good looking women.

And The Lone Dragon, this was a women’s INVITATIONAL, which means the best female players were invited to compete. Yet out of the entire group of girls, Kayane was the only one who truly displayed some skill in the game, the rest were playing like they had learned it in the past week (Burnyourbra and Sherri weren’t awful, but they certainly couldn’t compete with 95% of the men there).


#9

Watch you mouth boy Burn can play her ass off. Little known fact no excuse making but she was sick during this tourney. She did a damn good job.


#10

I thought the commentary was pretty patronising, they were constantly talking about the skilfulness of the players when 2 hit combos and randomly mashing out ultras seemed to be as deep as the game got for the vast majority of them, something that should of been obvious to anyone watching.


#11

i call shenanigans.

THE GAP IS TOO BIG!!!

I heard there was this chick called KAYOpolice. I bet she fucking sucks.


#12

My thoughts: if one of the goals of the womens tourney was to get more female players then it worked. My fiance has never been interested in street fighter but she was awesome enough to come and watch the semi-finals and finals at evo with me. When it was over and we started the 8 hour drive home this morning she told me that she’s decided she wants to learn how to play.

Now, I don’t necessarily expect her to take the finals next year or anything, but it at least got her interested enough to start playing the game on her own.


#13

You are my hero entrerix. That was mad game you displayed just to get her to play with your stick.


#14

This.

It really was a waste of time though. If I want to see play like that I’ll go on xbox live. If I want to beat off I’ll goto jizzhut.


#15

Well, I did learn one thing from the kayane, but it was outside the women’s tourney.

cr.lp>cr.lp>cr.lp>st.lp>st.HP > mk.Super with Chun.


#16

Agree with OP on various points. I would like to add the following, however.

I suspect the main difference in observed skill levels is not due to a lack of potential between genders, but that the overall attitude toward women in the competitive scene and gaming in general is still hostile to the point that they aren’t really willing to participate in the kinds of events and activities which would allow them to develop the kind of community relationshpis and experiences that are present among the players who are often sparring amongst one another in local tournaments, at friends’ houses, in online lobbies, or even just talking about the game in forums.

As individuals we can only speak for our own behavior, but the community is still vastly behind on the issue.


#17

Men and Women’s brains are wired differently, why can’t anyone accept that?


#18

Apparently saying people are different from each other is some kind of horrible insult.


#19

Lol, I noticed. Jesus, I guarantee all these white knights are virgins.


#20

Most male players are bad, but because there are so many of them in the total population of competitors, you have a much higher chance of seeing high-level players. There are not very many female players, so you’re going to be much less likely to see ANY high level players coming out of such a small sample of a playerbase. If there were only ~50 or so male players, it’s perfectly likely that they’d all be bad. You have to consider the number of top players out there relative to the entire playerbase.

And for the record, the female tournament had me facepalming.