Never use them. Originally intended to get them for TvC but never picked it up. Will sell for $25 each. Buyer agrees to pay shipping and handling charges from USPS or UPS. Both are in great condition. Boxes are in good conditions with minimal wear and tear. Paypal only unless local in Tampabay area. Cash only for local buyers. Will check this thread periodically over the next month so be patient if I don’t respond right away.